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#76
#76
Again nothing about the FACT he was picked on by other teams?????
 
#77
#77
JZVOL said:
Again nothing about the FACT he was picked on by other teams?????
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If my scout report said that one starting cornerback was the fastest man in America and the other cornerback had switched from safety to corner midseason, I'd tell my QB to throw it towards the latter, everytime. And don't even act like Morley wasn't consistently targeted by opposing QBs.
 
#78
#78
You just made my point for me, he was successfully thrown on time after time because of his inability to cover. I never said Morley wasn't a target, they were both just as bad but shouldn't a 5th year senior been much better playing at a position he started out at?(Turk Mcbride did a great job at d. tackle even though he was undersized and playing out of position)Even if he was a step slower he still should have been able to read what was going on and react faster because of his knowledge and experience. Also are you friends with him or something because people talk about players every day on here, good or bad, why are you so stuck on him? People bash Phil and he's done a lot more for UT than Stewart could even think about. You very well may, but do you defend Fulmer, who's sacrificed a lot more for UT, like Stewart? Many people want to see Fulmer go, do you tell ALL them you would be happy to see them go?
 
#79
#79
JZVOL said:
You just made my point for me, he was successfully thrown on time after time because of his inability to cover. I never said Morley wasn't a target, they were both just as bad but shouldn't a 5th year senior been much better playing at a position he started out at?(Turk Mcbride did a great job at d. tackle even though he was undersized and playing out of position)Even if he was a step slower he still should have been able to read what was going on and react faster because of his knowledge and experience. Also are you friends with him or something because people talk about players every day on here, good or bad, why are you so stuck on him? People bash Phil and he's done a lot more for UT than Stewart could even think about. You very well may, but do you defend Fulmer, who's sacrificed a lot more for UT, like Stewart? Many people want to see Fulmer go, do you tell ALL them you would be happy to see them go?
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First off, if you think McBride played well at tackle, then you are mistaken. Secondly, the intellectual differences between playing defensive line and in the secondary are enormous. Not to insult the intelligence of defensive linemen, but it takes more smarts to play in the secondary. Changing between S/CB is a much bigger deal than switching DT/DE. Third, Stewart was too slow to play CB. I've said that one hundred times. He was much better suited to be a safety. Fourthly, Fulmer has nothing to do with the discussion.

I am tired of fans picking a scapegoat to blame all the faults of a season on. In 2002, everyone blamed Kelley Washington. This year, it seems like Antwan Stewart is to blame for everything. One player doesn't make or break a team. In fact, if one player isn't playing particularly well, more often than not it is because he is being asked to do too much, because the players around him aren't performing adequately.
 
#80
#80
I thought Jon Wade was picked on a lot, too, to be honest.

Before his injury, people had Antwan Stewart as a BETTER cover corner than Jason Allen. I remember it very well.
 
#81
#81
If Fulmer has nothing to do with the conversation, then neither does fans picking on one player as a scapegoat because I never said anything about that- that's your problem. Jason Allen had a very serious knee injury and recovered to be a first round pick so I'm not buying the fact that Stewart was too slow for corner and fast enough for safety. Jason Allen went back and forth between corner and safety, and did it very well. Coming out of high school Allen was a much higher rated player than Stewart. And Stewart was not a better fit for safety because he didn't have the tackling ability or size to be a really good safety, he is really skinny and I'd bet he something like 6' 180. He's not as thick as Hefney.
 
#82
#82
JZVOL said:
If Fulmer has nothing to do with the conversation, then neither does fans picking on one player as a scapegoat because I never said anything about that- that's your problem. Jason Allen had a very serious knee injury and recovered to be a first round pick so I'm not buying the fact that Stewart was too slow for corner and fast enough for safety. Jason Allen went back and forth between corner and safety, and did it very well. Coming out of high school Allen was a much higher rated player than Stewart. And Stewart was not a better fit for safety because he didn't have the tackling ability or size to be a really good safety, he is really skinny and I'd bet he something like 6' 180. He's not as thick as Hefney.
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I can't believe how consistently incorrect you are. First off, Jason Allen didn't have a knee injury. He dislocated his hip. And if you expect every DB that comes through UT to be as good as Jason Allen, you might as well quit watching football. Secondly, as I stated before, knee injuries can be quite different. You might recall Keyon Whiteside. He was a great linebacker for UT that got to play for the Colts for a few seasons. He had a serious knee injury. His football career is now over because of it. Maybe you should tell him that knee injuries aren't a big deal. As for Stewart not being a good fit for safety, it really doesn't matter what your body size is. He played great in 2005 and the start of 2006. All the troubles to which you have referred occured when he was playing cornerback.
 
#83
#83
The only thing I have been incorrect about is saying he had a knee injury. You keep putting words in my mouth. I never said I expect every corner to be as good as Jason Allen(or knee injuries aren't a big deal), someone else brought up that Stewart was thought to be better than Allen when they first got here. So I'll feel free to keep watching football, but thanks. You are telling me, in football, size doesn't matter? You're out of your mind. Stewart never I repeat never played great!!!! Look at his bio, his best games were against weak opponents. Most good safties fall into 2 categories, run support (Fred White) or they cover a lot of ground with their speed in the passing game (Deon Grant). No, I don't expect all UT players to be as good as them but which category would you say Stewart fit into? neither, he wasn't fast enough as YOU said to cover people or patrol the middle of the field and he wasn't a good enough tackler to stop the run. Many players have to be moved around for various reasons and still do much better than him. I still say a 5th year player should have been much better than he was. Sears throughout his time at UT played several o-line positions, and it is very tough to learn more than 1 o-line position. I don't see how you can argue that the only reason Stewart was on the field was because Morley was an underachiever and injuries to other players. He was not on the field because he was good, it was because we had no depth. Yes he was better than a bunch of back ups that couldn't cut it. He was, along with Morley weaknesses for our defense.
 
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Originally Posted by JZVOL
Again nothing about the FACT he was picked on by other teams?????

If my scout report said that one starting cornerback was the fastest man in America and the other cornerback had switched from safety to corner midseason, I'd tell my QB to throw it towards the latter, everytime. And don't even act like Morley wasn't consistently targeted by opposing QBs.

You would throw to Stewart's side because he was a weaker player, me too!! I would as coach target both of those guys as you said because they weren't as good as our other players, I totally agree with you.
 
#85
#85
JZVOL said:
someone else brought up that Stewart was thought to be better than Allen when they first got here.
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If you disagree with this, then you are incorrect again. Stewart actually started over Jason Allen for a few games. Your knowledge continues to unimpress. Keep rehashing the same garbage you call logic. You've already dug yourself into a hole by posting conflicting arguments. It doesn't surprise me that you are happy to see one of our players leave.
 
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#86
And Allen was drafted in the first round, Stewar will never see an NFL field, sounds much much better. You haven't even mentioned half the stuff I've ever said because I'm right and on top of all of this I was making a joke to another person that had nothing to do with you till you jumped with a comment about me! Your a class act:)
 
#87
#87
JZVOL said:
You would throw to Stewart's side because he was a weaker player, me too!! I would as coach target both of those guys as you said because they weren't as good as our other players, I totally agree with you.
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When a team like Penn State that has tremendous speed at the WR position (especially Derrick Williams, the nation's top recruit a couple of years ago) you want to exploit a slower player. Every time Wade stepped on the field, he was the fastest player out there. Thus, Penn State didn't think they could take advantage of Wade as well with their WRs. However, a team like Arkansas pushed Wade around, because they had a big, physical WR in Marcus Monk. Teams play to their strengths. As I've said before, Stewart's strength wasn't covering speedy WRs man-to-man.
 
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#88
JZVOL said:
And Allen was drafted in the first round, Stewar will never see an NFL field, sounds much much better.
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That doesn't change the fact that Stewart started over Allen at one point. That's all anyone ever said. No one ever said Stewart was better than Allen.
 
#89
#89
and I've dug myself in to no hole my "friend". My arguement is that he was an average player on our team. Other teams picked on him and if he was not average I would think as a 5th year senior starting at more than 1 position he would at least make 3rd team all-sec.
 
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#90
JZVOL said:
Your a class act:)
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If being a class act involves poor spelling and grammar, idiotic logic skills, and badmouthing a player that spent 5 years contributing to UT football, then no, I am not a class act.
 
#91
#91
JZVOL said:
and I've dug myself in to no hole my "friend". My arguement is that he was an average player on our team. Other teams picked on him and if he was not average I would think as a 5th year senior starting at more than 1 position he would at least make 3rd team all-sec.
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Good to know that All-SEC players are average. Maybe you should let Tee Martin know that he was average.
 
#92
#92
Feel free to ask me questions about sports, teams and schemes like coverages and stuff because I'm very confident in my knowledge of the game:)
 
#93
#93
JZVOL said:
Feel free to ask me questions about sports, teams and schemes like coverages and stuff because I'm very confident in my knowledge of the game:)
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That's certainly possible. So far you've only proven that you know nothing about UT football. There are many other areas of sports. I suppose it is possible that you are knowledgable in those areas.
 
#94
#94
I have no problem admitting I have terrible spelling, but why don't you go find everyone who has said something negative about a player or Coach Fulmer, who served UT a lot longer than Stewart, on this board. Then when you find them even if they weren't talking to you start arguing with them.
 
#95
#95
I know nothing about UT football? I know in 2 years Stewart will have already been forgotten by UT fans. Find me people who really think Stewart was a good player. Almost anyone you talk to would say he wasn't very good. That's my point, he wasn't very good. As far as Tee Martin, it's much harder to make an all-sec team as a qb than a safety. It there are three all-sec teams there would be three qbs and 6 safeties. They might break them down to just ss and fs but that I'm not sure about. I never said anything about all-sec players being average. Tee Martin was not a great qb. He did good things at times and obviously made some great plays but his stats without them in front of me were not superb.
 
#96
#96
JZVOL said:
I have no problem admitting I have terrible spelling, but why don't you go find everyone who has said something negative about a player or Coach Fulmer, who served UT a lot longer than Stewart, on this board. Then when you find them even if they weren't talking to you start arguing with them.
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People can slam another player's ability all they want. Lots of times, they are wrong, but it's their right to have an opinion, even if it isn't a very smart one. However, it shouldn't be okay to be happy to see a player go. How would you feel if the school that you loved was happy to know that you would never wear the orange and white again?

As for Fulmer, he's contributed more to UT than just about anyone. However, he's also a university employee. If he can't do his job at the appropriate standards, then he should be fired. The only problem is that there are no clearly definable standards, so some want him fired, while others don't. I don't have a problem with that debate.
 
#97
#97
JZVOL said:
I know nothing about UT football? I know in 2 years Stewart will have already been forgotten by UT fans. Find me people who really think Stewart was a good player. Almost anyone you talk to would say he wasn't very good. That's my point, he wasn't very good. As far as Tee Martin, it's much harder to make an all-sec team as a qb than a safety. It there are three all-sec teams there would be three qbs and 6 safeties. They might break them down to just ss and fs but that I'm not sure about. And Martin's stats without them in front of me didn't warrant him being an all-sec selection.
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Wait, are you saying that Martin wasn't even qualified to be All-SEC? So by your logic Tee Martin was below average. Fiction can be fun.

As for not remembering Stewart, real Vol fans remember more than just the star players. Peyton Manning and Al Wilson were great players, but even Florida fans know about those guys. The difference between Gators and Vols is that we remember the other guys and their contributions. In two years, I wouldn't be surprised if UF and UGA fans can't recall Stewart. Vol fans should still remember.
 
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#100
I love Tee Martin but he wouldn't even be in my top 5 of all-time UT qbs. I said I didn't have his stats in front of me. Stewart will be remembered when people watch the PSU game. It Fulmer should be fired for not living up to standards then Stewart should have lost his scholly for not living up the standards of players of the past.
 
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