2004 Trojans vs 2001 Hurricanes

Which team would win?

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#52
#52
So how exactly did this topic become three Ohioans on a UT board arguing about U of Miami?
 
#53
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Ohio Vol said:
So how exactly did this topic become three Ohioans on a UT board arguing about U of Miami?
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Let's make it 4. I do think the 01 Miami team was probably better than 02, but not by much. I'd argue the 02 team had the better offense. McGahee and Winslow both had better numbers than Portis and Shockey, I'd rather have a Sr Ken Dorsey, Andre Johnson was better in 02, losing McKinnie was big but they still had Romberg and other good players. Their biggest problem was that behind McGahee they only had Jarrett Payton since Gore was injured.

On defense, they returned 6 of their front 7 including McDougle, Vilma, DJ Williams, and Jonathan Joseph. Wilfork also played both seasons but didn't start. Kelly Jennings, Rolle and Taylor were great replacements at DB but still not as good as the 01 secondary.

The 01 team dominated but they were hungrier after being left out of the NC the year before. Larry Coker isn't someone I'd expect to motivate a team that knows they're the best to put up 60 each and every week.
 
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#54
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buckeyevol23 said:
Let's make it 4. I do think the 01 Miami team was probably better than 02, but not by much. I'd argue the 02 team had the better offense. McGahee and Winslow both had better numbers than Portis and Shockey, I'd rather have a Sr Ken Dorsey, Andre Johnson was better in 02, losing McKinnie was big but they still had Romberg and other good players. Their biggest problem was that behind McGahee they only had Jarrett Payton since Gore was injured.

On defense, they returned 6 of their front 7 including McDougle, Vilma, DJ Williams, and Jonathan Joseph. Wilfork also played both seasons but didn't start. Kelly Jennings, Rolle and Taylor were great replacements at DB but still not as good as the 01 secondary.

The 01 team dominated but they were hungrier after being left out of the NC the year before. Larry Coker isn't someone I'd expect to motivate a team that knows they're the best to put up 60 each and every week.
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The numbers were better in 2001, but that's not all. The team simply looked far more dominant in 2001. I watched them all the time in both years, and the 2001 team was the best team I've seen. The 2002 team seemed to be a more talented version of the 2007 LSU squad.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The numbers were better in 2001, but that's not all. The team simply looked far more dominant in 2001. I watched them all the time in both years, and the 2001 team was the best team I've seen. The 2002 team seemed to be a more talented version of the 2007 LSU squad.
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Yeah, like I said, they were hungrier. They got passed over in the 2000 NC game by an FSU team that they had beaten. In 02, they were preseason #1 and large favorites to repeat. They could've played their "C" game and still beaten over half the teams on their schedule.
 
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buckeyevol23 said:
Yeah, like I said, they were hungrier. They got passed over in the 2000 NC game by an FSU team that they had beaten. In 02, they were preseason #1 and large favorites to repeat. They could've played their "C" game and still beaten over half the teams on their schedule.
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Being favorites doesn't just make teams lazy. They may not have been at their best, thanks to Coker but losing 12 starters hurt them a lot, just like it would any team.
 
#57
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tvolsfan said:
Being favorites doesn't just make teams lazy. They may not have been at their best, thanks to Coker but losing 12 starters hurt them a lot, just like it would any team.
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Never said they were lazy, just not as focused. Yeah they lost a lot of starters but replaced many of them with younger guys who were just as good. They also returned a good bit of key players too. A team that got snubbed in the NC game the previous year has a lot more motivation than a team that just won a NC and is expected to win again.

I said 01 was the better team, but it's not like they had a significant talent advantage over the 02 team.
 
#58
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buckeyevol23 said:
Never said they were lazy, just not as focused. Yeah they lost a lot of starters but replaced many of them with younger guys who were just as good. They also returned a good bit of key players too. A team that got snubbed in the NC game the previous year has a lot more motivation than a team that just won a NC and is expected to win again.

I said 01 was the better team, but it's not like they had a significant talent advantage over the 02 team.
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I'd say losing that secondary made them considerably worse on defense, and losing the offensive line is what cost them in Columbus. They replaced talent, but those two units were a whole lot worse.
 
#59
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tvolsfan said:
I'd say losing that secondary made them considerably worse on defense, and losing the offensive line is what cost them in Columbus. They replaced talent, but those two units were a whole lot worse.
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I believe they had the #1 pass defense in the country in 02, so don't know how the secondary was "considerably worse."
 
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miamicane said:
coker killed this program...
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Yeah just imagine what kind of run they would've been on had Davis stayed or had they hired a competent HC. It really says something about the talent of those teams that they almost won 2 straight NCs despite Coker leading them.
 
#62
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buckeyevol23 said:
Yeah just imagine what kind of run they would've been on had Davis stayed or had they hired a competent HC. It really says something about the talent of those teams that they almost won 2 straight NCs despite Coker leading them.
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yea and the problem is they got real lazy with recruiting...since they were hot they started getting all the 5 star recruits and forgot what got them there...its crazy but ed reed only d1 offer was tulane other than miami..they evaluated their own players...remember whan that story came out that coker used rivals to recruit lol...insane..and low character guys..willie williams was arrested 11 times before going to miami...i love what shannon is doing..he is using the butch philosphy..dont worry about stars and evaluate your own players and kids that wanna do good in school...no more thug U..thats why tell vol fans,dont worry about recruiting rankings..let your coaches find the right players
 
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buckeyevol23 said:
I believe they had the #1 pass defense in the country in 02, so don't know how the secondary was "considerably worse."
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Losing Ed Reed, Phillip Buchannon, Mike Rumph, and James Lewis wouldn't be good for any secondary. Who did they even have in 2002 other than Sean Taylor? Glenn Sharpe? Sure, no drop off there.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Losing Ed Reed, Phillip Buchannon, Mike Rumph, and James Lewis wouldn't be good for any secondary. Who did they even have in 2002 other than Sean Taylor? Glenn Sharpe? Sure, no drop off there.
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You're conveniently leaving out Antrel Rolle and Kelly Jennings who were apparently good enough to help make up the #1 pass D.
 
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buckeyevol23 said:
You're conveniently leaving out Antrel Rolle and Kelly Jennings who were apparently good enough to help make up the #1 pass D.
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I actually forgot about Jennings. However, he was still a freshman, right? So was Sharpe. Taylor was getting his first start in 2002, as was Rolle, right? I'd take the 2001 squad with Taylor and Rolle coming off the bench by a wide margin.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I actually forgot about Jennings. However, he was still a freshman, right? So was Sharpe. Taylor was getting his first start in 2002, as was Rolle, right? I'd take the 2001 squad with Taylor and Rolle coming off the bench by a wide margin.
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I'd take the '01 secondary too, but the '02 version was tops in the country plus they had 6 returning starters in the front 7, not including Wilfork who played a lot both years. The '02 defense as a whole still seems just as dominant.
 
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buckeyevol23 said:
I'd take the '01 secondary too, but the '02 version was tops in the country plus they had 6 returning starters in the front 7, not including Wilfork who played a lot both years. The '02 defense as a whole still seems just as dominant.
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But it wasn't. It wasn't even that close. The offense wasn't as good either. You don't usually lose entire units and get better. The may have been less motivated, but if they were as good as the year before, they would have finished 13-0 and wouldn't haven't needed a missed field goal to beat FSU, and Pitt wouldn't have played them close. They wouldn't have been down after 3 quarters to Rutgers, and they certainly wouldn't give up 40 plus to VT. From a talent perspective, it may not have been a huge dropoff, but when you replace extremely talented seniors with very talented freshman and sophomores, you're going to have a huge drop off. That was the case on the offensive line, and I'd bet it had a lot to do with the defense giving up many more points.
 
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tvolsfan said:
But it wasn't. It wasn't even that close. The offense wasn't as good either. You don't usually lose entire units and get better. The may have been less motivated, but if they were as good as the year before, they would have finished 13-0 and wouldn't haven't needed a missed field goal to beat FSU, and Pitt wouldn't have played them close. They wouldn't have been down after 3 quarters to Rutgers, and they certainly wouldn't give up 40 plus to VT. From a talent perspective, it may not have been a huge dropoff, but when you replace extremely talented seniors with very talented freshman and sophomores, you're going to have a huge drop off. That was the case on the offensive line, and I'd bet it had a lot to do with the defense giving up many more points.
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The total offense was ranked higher and total defense was one spot lower in '02 than in '01. They were OT away from going 13-0. They were up 49-21 vs VT and probably let off the gas at that point. In '01, VT almost came back and tied the game. FSU was a rivalry game so I won't hold that against them that much. They ended up blowing out Rutgers. That tells me they blew that game off til the end, showing a lack of focus/motivation/whatever. The '01 team was in danger against BC too, so it happens.
 
#69
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It was like watching a different team. The 2002 edition had to play deeper into games from what I saw. I thought they would murder the Buckeyes to be honest, but I never thought they looked the same. It seemed like QB's could run on them a decent amount. The 2001 team really just had no weakness. I think the 2001 team would win a matchup with the 2002 team by about 3 TD's.
 
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