2006 Vols Biggest Surprise???

(TNVolunteers23 @ May 11 said:
yeah, i guess ur right jakez4ut...
stuff happens....isn't the first time, won't be the last, i'm sure of that.....but keep posting....at least we got in to a lively discussion today, it's been kind of dead lately...it was good today, even though it had NOTHING to do with the original topic.

i look at it this way, if this topic wouldn't have gotten started like it did, i would have had to work...and who needs that?
 
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
and history would probaby agree with you, right up until they got put on probation or had some other penalty leveled against the program....clemson, Miami and OK all had some serious issues after their glory days, and the programs all went thru very down times...though both Miami and OK are back in the middle of things, they both had several years of mediocre football in between....and don't even get me started about Bama...they're still suffering...compared to where they want to be anyways.
The flip side of that argument is, if gutless administrations at Oklahoma and Clemson hadn't forced coaching changes, the down years would never have come. Miami didn't really have "several" mediocre years. It was more like 2 or 3.
 
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
No, I wouldn't. I would be unable to speak due to the shock caused by Fulmer finally being able to win another SEC title.
Don't give up on Fulmer. A lot of people had given up on Joe Pa and look what Penn State did last year. B. Bowden hasn't exactly been a world beater the last few years either, but has he forgotten how to be a great coach.
 
i think they were painted in a corner...they had to make some changes..a.nd some were made for them because coaches left on their own...either way, winds of change probably would have come anyway...

Several....in the sense that it was multiple years...more than one. And Miami wasn't exactly great again until 2001...they were getting better in 2000...but there were some years in the mid and late 90's where Miami just wasn't the Miami of old....when was their last NT before the 01 season? I know they played for it in 92, didn't they win it in 91 or something?
 
(rockytopinalabam @ May 11 said:
Don't give up on Fulmer. A lot of people had given up on Joe Pa and look what Penn State did last year. B. Bowden hasn't exactly been a world beater the last few years either, but has he forgotten how to be a great coach.
at the risk of sounding like i'm anti fulmer, B bowden did win the ACC last year, with a so called sub par team...and he won like 11 ACC titles in a row...FSU's time in between championships is dwarfed by the 7 years it's been for UT...
 
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
i think they were painted in a corner...they had to make some changes..a.nd some were made for them because coaches left on their own...either way, winds of change probably would have come anyway...

Several....in the sense that it was multiple years...more than one. And Miami wasn't exactly great again until 2001...they were getting better in 2000...but there were some years in the mid and late 90's where Miami just wasn't the Miami of old....when was their last NT before the 01 season? I know they played for it in 92, didn't they win it in 91 or something?
Won in '91, lost to Alabama for the title in '92. I think they were more than "getting better" in '00. They went 11-1 and finished #2 in the polls.
 
(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Won in '91, lost to Alabama for the title in '92. I think they were more than "getting better" in '00. They went 11-1 and finished #2 in the polls.
yeah, i'd call that getting better, unless the finished #1 in 99?...it's not getting worse?
 
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
and history would probaby agree with you, right up until they got put on probation or had some other penalty leveled against the program....clemson, Miami and OK all had some serious issues after their glory days, and the programs all went thru very down times...though both Miami and OK are back in the middle of things, they both had several years of mediocre football in between....and don't even get me started about Bama...they're still suffering...compared to where they want to be anyways.
Bama just hasn't figured out how to consistently get back on their feet yet. I'm not saying they won't, but they have yet to do so.

(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
The flip side of that argument is, if gutless administrations at Oklahoma and Clemson hadn't forced coaching changes, the down years would never have come. Miami didn't really have "several" mediocre years. It was more like 2 or 3.
Miami is hella easy to recruit for, they had to have had an easy time getting things working again.

(hatvol96 @ May 11 said:
Won in '91, lost to Alabama for the title in '92. I think they were more than "getting better" in '00. They went 11-1 and finished #2 in the polls.
I look at Alabama as a program like I would a light bulb turning on, when it flickers on and off for a few times. They're tripping over their own feet, but the dark cloud of their recruiting scandal is slowly lifting and people are remembering exactly who Alabama is in the landscape of college football.
 
(jakez4ut @ May 11 said:
at the risk of sounding like i'm anti fulmer, B bowden did win the ACC last year, with a so called sub par team...and he won like 11 ACC titles in a row...FSU's time in between championships is dwarfed by the 7 years it's been for UT...

Come on jake...F$U winning the ACC is like UK winning the weak SEC in hoops for many yrs.
 
(NCGatorBait @ May 11 said:
Come on jake...F$U winning the ACC is like UK winning the weak SEC in hoops for many yrs.
i agree...but they did win the championship all those years in a row....the acc until last year was a joke, no doubt.

I once told a guy that was trying to bolster support for his opinion that the ACC was as good as the SEC (pre Va TEch, BC and Miami mind you), that if you asked FSU what were the most important games of the year, the answers would probably go in this order:
1. Miami
2. UF
3. the ACC schedule

the two biggest games of the year for them for years was two non conference games, and everybody else in the ACC was a distant 3rd.
he then had this confused look on his face....wonder why?
 
(milohimself @ May 11 said:
OldVol:

1) You're old as dirt, admit it :D
2) I'm the expert on yuppies around here. I live in Portland Oregon for crying out loud

If you base it on feelings, I may be as old as the universe.

One thing's for certain, I'm too old to think I can teach anything to these yuppies, or yappies, or whatever they'd like to be called.

These whipper snappers will one day be like Mark Twain. When Mark Twain, was still known as Samuel Clemens, at the informed age of 17, he said he thought his father was so very stupid, but when he turned 21 he was amazed at how much smarter the old man had become in just 4 short years. Of course, it takes some much longer. Some don't even appreciate the wisdom of years at the age, oh, shall we say 35. I'm a patient man though. I understand some young men take a lot longer to mature, and thusly recognize the error of their ways. When you’re young, you think you know everything. Years are a valuable commodity. They teach you the grand lessons of life. In fact, the older one gets, the more one realizes that the hubris of youth does have its advantages. For with the advancement of years you come to grips with 2 undeniable facts. 1. That when you're young, you really didn't know everything. 2. That the older you get, the more you realize there's still a world of knowledge yet to be obtained.

So, we die striving. Whereas the youthful self-confidence says, “I know it all. I have attained.” Yet the finished conundrum of amplified time assures you of the folly of youth.

It takes living to attain such knowledge. It can only be done, with the doing. In the meantime, with what we ascertain, we understand that we have ascertained so little, and the maze continues.


 
a buddy and me were drinking one night, and at the time i was about 22, he was about 26...and he made the following statement:
"the more i learn, the dumber i get"

made no sense to me at the time....looking back on it now....he couldn't have been more right.
 
(jakez4ut @ May 12 said:
a buddy and me were drinking one night, and at the time i was about 22, he was about 26...and he made the following statement:
"the more i learn, the dumber i get"

made no sense to me at the time....looking back on it now....he couldn't have been more right.

Doesn't it make you long for the days when you had the answer for everything? Sigh.....
 
yep. it really is a pain that i didn't have the knowledge i now have, 10-15 years ago. i guess that's why it's called learning.

sayings like "if i only knew then what i know now" don't mean anything to you when they are being told TO YOU...it's only years later, when you finally go..."crap, they were right..." and it all starts to make sense...people have to learn it on their own, that much i have learned, and sometimes that means "learning the hard way", if i can borrow the phrase from my dad and grandfather.
 
This thread is starting to read like the dialogue of an episode of "The Golden Girls." Are you guys going to have the Early Bird Special, followed by a riveting game of shuffleboard?
 
(OldVol @ May 12 said:
If you base it on feelings, I may be as old as the universe.

One thing's for certain, I'm too old to think I can teach anything to these yuppies, or yappies, or whatever they'd like to be called.

These whipper snappers will one day be like Mark Twain. When Mark Twain, was still known as Samuel Clemens, at the informed age of 17, he said he thought his father was so very stupid, but when he turned 21 he was amazed at how much smarter the old man had become in just 4 short years. Of course, it takes some much longer. Some don't even appreciate the wisdom of years at the age, oh, shall we say 35. I'm a patient man though. I understand some young men take a lot longer to mature, and thusly recognize the error of their ways. When you’re young, you think you know everything. Years are a valuable commodity. They teach you the grand lessons of life. In fact, the older one gets, the more one realizes that the hubris of youth does have its advantages. For with the advancement of years you come to grips with 2 undeniable facts. 1. That when you're young, you really didn't know everything. 2. That the older you get, the more you realize there's still a world of knowledge yet to be obtained.

So, we die striving. Whereas the youthful self-confidence says, “I know it all. I have attained.” Yet the finished conundrum of amplified time assures you of the folly of youth.

It takes living to attain such knowledge. It can only be done, with the doing. In the meantime, with what we ascertain, we understand that we have ascertained so little, and the maze continues.

Dang, OV, that's deep. :hi:
 
(jakez4ut @ May 12 said:
yep. it really is a pain that i didn't have the knowledge i now have, 10-15 years ago. i guess that's why it's called learning.

sayings like "if i only knew then what i know now" don't mean anything to you when they are being told TO YOU...it's only years later, when you finally go..."crap, they were right..." and it all starts to make sense...people have to learn it on their own, that much i have learned, and sometimes that means "learning the hard way", if i can borrow the phrase from my dad and grandfather.

A wise old dad once told his son, "Son, you'd better start learning from some other folks' mistakes, because if you don't, you're not going to live long enough to make them all yourself."

Another gem before we shuffle off to play.
 
(hatvol96 @ May 12 said:
This thread is starting to read like the dialogue of an episode of "The Golden Girls." Are you guys going to have the Early Bird Special, followed by a riveting game of shuffleboard?

Every time you peck on that keyboard, I have a deeper understanding of you, and thus, more compassion.

See, I thought, silly me, that you were close to my age. Now, I fully understand all of your responses.

You're me 20 years ago.

Now, here's something that will scare you. I'm you, 20 years hence.

You'll dismiss it, but it's true.

You can only view it from the future though. It truly is a munificent insight, once you gain the vantage.
 
(OldVol @ May 12 said:
Every time you peck on that keyboard, I have a deeper understanding of you, and thus, more compassion.

See, I thought, silly me, that you were close to my age. Now, I fully understand all of your responses.

You're me 20 years ago.

Now, here's something that will scare you. I'm you, 20 years hence.

You'll dismiss it, but it's true.

You can only view it from the future though. It truly is a munificent insight, once you gain the vantage.
If I ever begin pandering to authority and talking about the "good ole days" my friends will mercifully fire a bullet into my cranium.
 
is this gonna be firing squad style or does someone gotta win a trivia contest and win the chance to thumbcock the 38 special? :biggrin2:
 
(hatvol96 @ May 12 said:
If I ever begin pandering to authority and talking about the "good ole days" my friends will mercifully fire a bullet into my cranium.

Damn boy, who you hangin' with?

Let's review: People who sit around you at Neyland spit tobaccy and speak in racial appelations, and your friends are obliged to shoot you the moment you begin to show the slightest hint of astuteness. Maybe you need to change some of those associations if you plan to reach the golden years.

On the other hand, they do say ignorance is bliss. :D

You must be beside yourself. :biggrin2:

 

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