2012 GOP Nomination

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Rasputin_Vol said:
The lesson to be learned here is that you have Romney supporters and then a large number of people that simply want anyone but Romney. For someone to be the media anointed front runner, you would think that this guy would be the one expanding his lead, not the flavor of the month (Gingrinch). We've seen these guys bounce up and down the last 6 months.
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Can a moderate win the GOP nomination or must the nominee be a bomb thrower?
 
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lawgator1 said:
The latest polls show Gingrich widening his lead against Romney in two of the most important early primary states, South Carolina and Florida. However, the same polling shows Obama winning both states in the general against either Gingrich or Romney. The shocking one is South Carolina, where Obama lost to McCain.

Poll: Good news for Gingrich and Obama in early states – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Makes you wonder if all of the GOP infighting and the sense of dissatisfaction with the field expressed by so many GOP voters is starting to really boomerang on them.
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The only poll that matters this far out is the approval/disapproval of the incumbent. Obama is still sitting above 50% disapproval.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Then what does that say about how the GOP feel about their candidates, lol?
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The GOP candidates are terrible. No doubt. The incumbent generally does better in these hypothetical opposition polls than they would if the election was held tomorrow. A united party with a few months to campaign and get a grassroots movement changes everything. Gives the opposition of the incumbent an advantage in the polls which he does not enjoy at the present time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Can a moderate win the GOP nomination or must the nominee be a bomb thrower?
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What? Moderates are the only ones who ever win. Name the last Republican president who didn't grow government. There are 2 parties, both largely support big government and are largely filled with moderates.
 
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I'm asking about this time, not the last seven.

Romney is the perfect moderate candidate. He's tall, even keeled, no bizarro crap in his lifestyle, good family man, educated, has the support of the institutional Republicans.

But is he just not far right enough THIS TIME to win it?

There's this undercurrent to the GOP race that suggests to me that some would like to nominate someone antagonistic to the Democrats just to be, well, antagonistic.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm asking about this time, not the last seven.

Romney is the perfect moderate candidate. He's tall, even keeled, no bizarro crap in his lifestyle, good family man, educated, has the support of the institutional Republicans.

But is he just not far right enough THIS TIME to win it?

There's this undercurrent to the GOP race that suggests to me that some would like to nominate someone antagonistic to the Democrats just to be, well, antagonistic.
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Yep that's it. There isn't a more rational or logical explanation for them not clamoring to Romney.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I'm asking about this time, not the last seven.

Romney is the perfect moderate candidate. He's tall, even keeled, no bizarro crap in his lifestyle, good family man, educated, has the support of the institutional Republicans.

But is he just not far right enough THIS TIME to win it?

There's this undercurrent to the GOP race that suggests to me that some would like to nominate someone antagonistic to the Democrats just to be, well, antagonistic.
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I could be wrong. But I don't think it's nearly as much about Romney being moderate as it is people's impression that Romney is a political chameleon who just doesn't seem that interested in connecting with voters.

I have a hard time believing that a party that just nominated John McCain can't stomach the right moderate candidate. Romney seems to have been trying to win using the "here I am and it's my time" strategy and I thnl that's turned off some that are tired of business as usual.
 
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GAVol said:
To throw them all in a box and say they're the same just because they're not your guy is lazy.
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To say you are getting anything different if you don't nominate Johnson or Paul is naive. Bush and Obama seem like polar opposites when you view them cosmetically. In practice their administrations have been nearly identical.
 
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GAVol said:
Just about every nominee in the past 40 years not namef Reagan has been moderate.
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Reagan was a very good president but he was more moderate than people give him credit for. He was smart enough to work with Tip O'Neil and get some things done. Reagan also raised taxes a few times, that is something conservatives today seem to overlook.
 
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nbakerld said:
To say you are getting anything different if you don't nominate Johnson or Paul is naive. Bush and Obama seem like polar opposites when you view them cosmetically. In practice their administrations have been nearly identical.
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Obama and Bush are actually quite opposite cosmetically.
 
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GAVol said:
Obama and Bush are actually quite opposite cosmetically.
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That's what I said, right?

Newt, Romney, Perry, Santorum, and Bachmann may appear to be different from each other...like Bachmann and Perry may be more religiously fanatic, Newt plays the part of the intellectual, etc. My point is that once in office, these differences don't matter. None are truly conservative, meaning they attempt to "fix" government rather than remove it. No matter who of the 5 we elect, we'll end up with more government.

You can take joy in that they will likely slow the growth of government, and you can claim they will do it in varying degrees. The bottom line is with all 5 we end up with a band-aid, and we won't really change anything.
 
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Gramps said:
Reagan was a very good president but he was more moderate than people give him credit for. He was smart enough to work with Tip O'Neil and get some things done. Reagan also raised taxes a few times, that is something conservatives today seem to overlook.
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Reagan was far right in rhetoric, and a moderate in practice.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
Every successful president is. Rhetoric to get their party support, once president, compromise with the opposition to get anything done in D.C.
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Define success....

The president who vetoes nearly everything is most successful in my mind. Disagreement isn't hurting us. It's the agreements that do the damage.
 
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nbakerld said:
Define success....
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Your opening up a can of worms. Way too ambiguous to go down that road.

nbakerld said:
The president who vetoes nearly everything is most successful in my mind. Disagreement isn't hurting anybody in the US. It's the agreements that are killing us.
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What if both houses of congress were filled with Ron Paul's offspring and Wilson is back in office? You still think Mr. Veto is successful?
 
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#645
PKT_VOL said:
Your opening up a can of worms. Way too ambiguous to go down that road.

What if both houses of congress were filled with Ron Paul's offspring and Wilson is back in office? You still think Mr. Veto is successful?
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I was just trying to make a point within the world we live. LOL
 
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