2014 Defensive Line

[HuntlandVolinColo]

imo how do you redshirt a 6-5 358 lb lineman did someone not recruit right. that is to big of a body not to have on the field at sometime

Well that "bad weight" isn't such a liability on the Oline. Tackle anyone?

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

And yet half of VN thinks we will win 8 or more games. Defensive depth will kill us, especially late in games and late in the year. And when we play good teams close for a half only to give up a bunch of points on the second half, alot of wizards on here will blame Butch and accuse him of not being able to close out games, getting out-schemed, and not being able to make 2nd half adjustments, when in reality we just don't have the defensive horses to compete behind our 1st team D.

If Vandy can win 9 games with last years team, why can't we win 9 games with this years team?

I definitely think 8+ wins is possible. But we have to win the close ones, and maybe get a little of that 1998 luck on our side.

You never know, bama might implode with the kiffen cancer, Ole Miss may have to dismiss their stars. And maybe other teams get re-hit with the injury bug. Who is to say OK is for real just because they beat OKST and Bama last year. Same team got crushed by Texas and didn't look great during Spring.

Counting bowl win, I think 8-5 or 7-6.

 

[HuntlandVolinColo]

Also, let's not dismiss the Summer talent before they arrive on campus. Isn't that where we picked up Sutton, North, JRM and Dobbs last year to name a few?

 

[PassedOutAwake]

If Vandy can win 9 games with last years team, why can't we win 9 games with this years team?

I definitely think 8+ wins is possible. But we have to win the close ones, and maybe get a little of that 1998 luck on our side.

You never know, bama might implode with the kiffen cancer, Ole Miss may have to dismiss their stars. And maybe other teams get re-hit with the injury bug. Who is to say OK is for real just because they beat OKST and Bama last year. Same team got crushed by Texas and didn't look great during Spring.

Counting bowl win, I think 8-5 or 7-6.

Dont forget they squeaked by a 4-8 WVU team 16-7 in Norman and squeaked by a 4-8 TCU team 20-17 in Norman. They also got destroyed by Baylor 41-12. And only beat a 3-9 Kansas by 15.

 

[Remy]

I personally believe a good coaching staff can scheme effectively, not shut down, effective enough to win, with an inexperienced DL. That is as long as what is there is mean nasty and can go the distance. Sure they'll make mistakes, but overall if a guy goes left when he should be going right type stuff, I want that happening with my DL personnel before anybody else on either side of the ball. Heck as long as their disruptive when called on, can keep OLs off my backers, and can hold their gap when needed young guys can be effective as DLs IMO.

 

[ETV]

And yet half of VN thinks we will win 8 or more games. Defensive depth will kill us, especially late in games and late in the year. And when we play good teams close for a half only to give up a bunch of points on the second half, alot of wizards on here will blame Butch and accuse him of not being able to close out games, getting out-schemed, and not being able to make 2nd half adjustments, when in reality we just don't have the defensive horses to compete behind our 1st team D.

Agreed. I expect to see the lack of depth beginning to show during the 2nd half of games against OU, UGA, UF, Alabama. Those teams should be running the ball up the middle every other play, while gaining an average of 4 to 5 YPC once they've worn us out.

Although, if the same happens against the likes of Utah St., Ark. St., Kentucky and Vandy, then expect to hear those wizards chants becoming louder and louder.

IMO though, I see team #118 reaching 8 wins with one of them coming by way of upset. However, if this team does not reach that goal, I'm not going to be one to rant and protest on firing the complete staff in year 2.

 

[Remy]

Agreed. I expect to see the lack of depth beginning to show during the 2nd half of games against OU, UGA, UF, Alabama. Those teams should be running the ball up the middle every other play, while gaining an average of 4 to 5 YPC once they've worn us out.

Although, if the same happens against the likes of Utah St., Ark. St., Kentucky and Vandy, then expect to hear those wizards chants becoming louder and louder.

IMO though, I see team #118 reaching 8 wins with one of them coming by way of upset. However, if this team does not reach that goal, I'm not going to be one to rant and protest on firing the complete staff in year 2.

I'm still waiting to see a UT team stop that little trap left & right they've been running for years. If we can do that consistently, the worm will have turned for us and the Bammers.

 

[GrowVol]

I'm still waiting to see our Lineman get mean as hell...and get a bad attitude...a NOT in my house attitude....a your my b**** attitude...

 

[Oskie Volum]

And yet half of VN thinks we will win 8 or more games. Defensive depth will kill us, especially late in games and late in the year. And when we play good teams close for a half only to give up a bunch of points on the second half, alot of wizards on here will blame Butch and accuse him of not being able to close out games, getting out-schemed, and not being able to make 2nd half adjustments, when in reality we just don't have the defensive horses to compete behind our 1st team D.

This same issue didn't stop people (probably including you too) for going crazy on Dooley, so I don't think it will be acceptable for a guy making $1million more a year if he doesn't pull off a bowl game appearance at the minimum.

And u r definitely purposely exaggerating with the half part thinking we should win 8+. 6-7 would be more like what half VN would be comfortable demanding out of this next year. It should be more than half of VN, but that's for another thread.
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[Catbone]

And yet half of VN thinks we will win 8 or more games. Defensive depth will kill us, especially late in games and late in the year. And when we play good teams close for a half only to give up a bunch of points on the second half, alot of wizards on here will blame Butch and accuse him of not being able to close out games, getting out-schemed, and not being able to make 2nd half adjustments, when in reality we just don't have the defensive horses to compete behind our 1st team D.

Post of the day right here

 

[NEVolFan]

And yet half of VN thinks we will win 8 or more games. Defensive depth will kill us, especially late in games and late in the year. And when we play good teams close for a half only to give up a bunch of points on the second half, alot of wizards on here will blame Butch and accuse him of not being able to close out games, getting out-schemed, and not being able to make 2nd half adjustments, when in reality we just don't have the defensive horses to compete behind our 1st team D.

We gone have school in August...all about getting our azz whipped and how to handle it. Should make most here understand. Contact Freak as he needs some expert speakers. Class is not optional, all must attend.

 

[bornbleddinorange]

Gah I hope our run d is better.

 

[KBVol]

If Vandy can win 9 games with last years team, why can't we win 9 games with this years team?

I definitely think 8+ wins is possible. But we have to win the close ones, and maybe get a little of that 1998 luck on our side.

You never know, bama might implode with the kiffen cancer, Ole Miss may have to dismiss their stars. And maybe other teams get re-hit with the injury bug. Who is to say OK is for real just because they beat OKST and Bama last year. Same team got crushed by Texas and didn't look great during Spring.

Counting bowl win, I think 8-5 or 7-6.

Well, substitute Oregon, Alabama and Auburn last year with UMass, Ole Miss and Texas A&M and we'd have had a much better shot at 8 wins....conversely, make that switch and Vandy would've won 5 games only with no bowl.

Dramatic differences in schedules like that matter

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

And yet half of VN thinks we will win 8 or more games. Defensive depth will kill us, especially late in games and late in the year. And when we play good teams close for a half only to give up a bunch of points on the second half, alot of wizards on here will blame Butch and accuse him of not being able to close out games, getting out-schemed, and not being able to make 2nd half adjustments, when in reality we just don't have the defensive horses to compete behind our 1st team D.

We get 14 new defenders on campus soon. They'll all be young and inexperienced, but honestly the only level of our defense I'm worried about "not having the horses" is the DL.

Our secondary and LB corps will have better depth than they've had in years. Those are also positions where it's not unheard of for freshmen to contribute. On the other hand freshmen usually don't step in and contribute too much at DT (which is where we most need new players to step up).

Edit: not that I expect 8 wins or anything. I'll be happy as long as we make a bowl game.

 

[orangeluvr]

With the recent loss of Jason Carr, what does our defensive line for the 2014 season look like? I actually think it looks very promising, and will suprise a lot of people that think we have no depth at DT/DE.

DE - Vereen, Maggitt, Lewis, Vickers, Henderson, Miller, Hendrix

DT - Saulsberry, O. Williams, O'brien, J. Williams, Mosley, Barnett, Mixon, Sawyers

Names left off: Carson (not productive) and Folger (?).

With the possibility that incoming freshman Jashon Robertson could contribute as a DT.

I agree that there are a lot of new faces, but I also think they can compete physically. CBJ has already sent a statement that he will not tolerate DL not willing to give it thier all.

That's why carr left, mailing it in is over !!

 

[Biopsyman]

That's why carr left, mailing it in is over !!

Like Cody Pope

 

[velovol]

imo how do you redshirt a 6-5 358 lb lineman did someone not recruit right. that is to big of a body not to have on the field at sometime

If he cant get off the ball fast enough due to technique that has not been developed yet, I dont care how big you are, at DLine you are worthless.

 

[sjt18]

And yet half of VN thinks we will win 8 or more games.

Half? Really? When you have to poison the well like this to start with... you usually don't have a very sound argument.

Defensive depth will kill us, especially late in games and late in the year. And when we play good teams close for a half only to give up a bunch of points on the second half, alot of wizards on here will blame Butch and accuse him of not being able to close out games, getting out-schemed, and not being able to make 2nd half adjustments, when in reality we just don't have the defensive horses to compete behind our 1st team D.

That sounds strangely familiar... I think I heard it constantly in '10 and '11. FWIW, there was an element of truth in it then and if it happens this year then there will also be some truth to it.

Six to 8 wins is what Jones needs. If he's a great coach then that is a legitimate range. UT needs a great, not good, coach.

One of the funny things here is that people argue it is OK for Jones to be just as good as Dooley or even a little better. Is that really the standard or are we looking for something quite a bit better than Dooley?

There are 5 wins on this schedule that Dooley could get if he were still the coach. In fact, most any marginal HC or better could win those games. Should we not expect more though?

 

[General Jack]

With the recent loss of Jason Carr, what does our defensive line for the 2014 season look like? I actually think it looks very promising, and will suprise a lot of people that think we have no depth at DT/DE.

DE - Vereen, Maggitt, Lewis, Vickers, Henderson, Miller, Hendrix

DT - Saulsberry, O. Williams, O'brien, J. Williams, Mosley, Barnett, Mixon, Sawyers

Names left off: Carson (not productive) and Folger (?).

With the possibility that incoming freshman Jashon Robertson could contribute as a DT.

I agree that there are a lot of new faces, but I also think they can compete physically. CBJ has already sent a statement that he will not tolerate DL not willing to give it thier all.

This doesn't me warm fuzzies for 2014. While there is quantity (and that is a nice change...), very little has been proven.

Maggitt was good before injury. Saulsberry was pretty good before injury. Vereen has played good in flashes. O'Brien to a lesser extent.

Its a hope and a prayer for 2014... but we've been doing that since 2006 now on the d-line. Maybe the prayers will be heard this year.

 

[orangebloodgmc]

General Jack, I can't disagree with you ... but maybe we can also hope&prayer about a more balanced offense that will move the ball, keep possession and keep our D off field?

And, sure we have concerns about our DL, it's not what we'd like it to be, it's not a John Henderson and Haynesworth on the field at the same time, but ... do the majority of SEC teams really have a better DL than this? I would have my doubts about that.

 

[OH-Vol]

With the recent loss of Jason Carr, what does our defensive line for the 2014 season look like? I actually think it looks very promising, and will suprise a lot of people that think we have no depth at DT/DE.

DE - Vereen, Maggitt, Lewis, Vickers, Henderson, Miller, Hendrix

DT - Saulsberry, O. Williams, O'brien, J. Williams, Mosley, Barnett, Mixon, Sawyers

Names left off: Carson (not productive) and Folger (?).

With the possibility that incoming freshman Jashon Robertson could contribute as a DT.

I agree that there are a lot of new faces, but I also think they can compete physically. CBJ has already sent a statement that he will not tolerate DL not willing to give it thier all.

Two Questions:

-If Maggit is officially a DE who starts at OLB opposite JRM - Dillon Bates from game 1, Justin King?

-Did Jordan Williams officially move to DT

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Two Questions:

-If Maggit is officially a DE who starts at OLB opposite JRM - Dillon Bates from game 1, Justin King?

-Did Jordan Williams officially move to DT

The answer to both if your questions likely lies in the distinction between our base 4-3 defense and our nickel package.

Our base package likely has Maggit at OLB and Jordan Williams at DE. However, when we move to our nickel defense, Williams will likely slide inside to the 3 technique and Maggit will play the Leo end.

However, the game has moved towards more wide open offensive attacks, so we'll likely be in our nickel package around 50-60% of the time.

Hope my answer helped.

 

[General Jack]

General Jack, I can't disagree with you ... but maybe we can also hope&prayer about a more balanced offense that will move the ball, keep possession and keep our D off field?

And, sure we have concerns about our DL, it's not what we'd like it to be, it's not a John Henderson and Haynesworth on the field at the same time, but ... do the majority of SEC teams really have a better DL than this? I would have my doubts about that.

My problem most of the guys already on campus haven't shown us much, and the talented guys we have hopes for aren't on campus yet.

Established programs have proven juniors and seniors dominating their rotation. That's a far cry from where are at.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

My problem most of the guys already on campus haven't shown us much, and the talented guys we have hopes for aren't on campus yet.

Established programs have proven juniors and seniors dominating their rotation. That's a far cry from where are at.

I agree. I like the talent we have on our DL, but I think they're trending more 2015-2016 before they are able to dominate.

 

[mitzustu]

DT is scary bad if we are being honest. Only 3 true tackles on the roster.We better hope Allan Carson (listed as a redshirt last year) or a new freshman has a large impact. Otherwise we'll get hammered up the middle.