2014 Dobbs and Worley sharing

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oldfartvol said:
This. All day long.:thumbsup:
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Before Dobbs started everyone said he was much better. Now Ferguson is so much better than everybody else. I guess this is based on what? High school film? Because Ferguson has yet to take a snap in college.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Before Dobbs started everyone said he was much better. Now Ferguson is so much better than everybody else. I guess this is based on what? High school film? Because Ferguson has yet to take a snap in college.
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the back up QB is all ways the answer,don't you know that ? :)
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Before Dobbs started everyone said he was much better. Now Ferguson is so much better than everybody else. I guess this is based on what? High school film? Because Ferguson has yet to take a snap in college.
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My eyeballs and coaches evals.

BTW,Fergie only had 5 fewer passing yards in the first half against the Gumps than Dobbs, AND he did this without ever putting on his helmet.:p

AND, he threw as many TD passes, with way fewer INT's,while drinking gatoraide during Dobbs first 3 starts.

He da man.:rock:
 
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biggestvols said:
TSR says Ferguson was ahead of Dobbs before he was injured. Ferggie better be the best QB on the team or we will win 4 to 5 games max next year. If Ferg isn't a big improvement over Dobbs and Worley, we have a huge problem.

I know the next post will say...the back-up is the most popular player until he plays. Peterman bla, bla, bla. I'm not saying Ferguson will be better, I'm saying if he is not much much better, we are screwed.
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TSR? The same station that has pulled for Ferguson since he was recruited and that had enough connections to RF's family that they even had his Dad and Uncle on air to talk about RF starting when Jones said he was opening up QB competition? (And don't tell me EA didn't know that was out of line -- he was simply too attached to the idea of Ferguson starting to inform Ferguson's father and later his Uncle that it was inappropriate. And while Ferguson's father acquitted himself well, his Uncle caused a distraction that did nothing to help RF or the team.) TSR is also the very same station where Erik Ainge not only lobbied to start Fergy in the Swamp and later South Alabama (really all year long) but also tweeted about how the Pride should play "Wild Thing" in a reference to Major League as soon as Ferguson ran onto the field.

And just what official source did TSR ever cite?

Fact is Dobbs got a lot of media attention directly after he signed because he signed late. RF had committed early and was old news by the time Dobbs signed. After a while there was a minor backlash due to Dobbs overload, RF getting little attention, and local media getting restless/bored. Everything that could be written about Dobbs as true frosh who wasn't starting had been written and it was time to move on to Fergs who hadn't yet been hyped locally. (And that happened long before Worley was benched for Peterman).

Ferguson's father was intelligent enough to comment on how the media would build any QB up and break him down if he wasn't absolutely perfect and blame him for things that weren't always his fault in his aforementioned TSR interview (didn't matter if it was Worley, Dobbs, or RF the brutal nature of the beast made it difficult for any starting QB) although the same can't be said for the uncle.

RF may well win it at camp next year, anything is possible, but he was never listed ahead of Dobbs. He was simply the last guy to get hyped by the media just as Peterman was the one getting hyped going into last year's camp before the media got bored with him. That also doesn't make RF bad or good. It's simply the reality of a fickle media that has to have something to talk about every day of the year. If we had QB recruit in this upcoming class we'd hear endless hype about him whenever he arrived on campus. Just the way it is and it means very little.
 
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UTProf said:
, but he was never listed ahead of Dobbs. He was simply the last guy to get hyped by the media just as Peterman was the one getting hyped going into last year's camp before the media got bored with him. .
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Not true at all. He was ahead of Dobbs until he got hurt and everyone that saw practice said he was better!
 
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Neither is a natural passing QB. And the current offensive scheme calls for a pure passer who can occasionally run it. Not vice versa.

Dobbs is not a natural passer. He is a natural athlete, but not a natural passer. His ball flight trajectory is off unless it is a bullet throw. When it is a bullet throw, his accuracy is very suspect (not timing...accuracy). He can improve as a passer but he is not a natural to throw the ball. If the throwing improves, then he will need to learn to read through progressions. (He often threw to double-covered receivers while not seeing single-covered or uncovered receivers options.)

Likewise, Worley is a great and steady kid, but doesn't seem to have the "it" factor. Unfortunately, I believe he is Crompton 2.0...smarter but about as impactful.

Peterman is in a deep pit. He will have a hard time working back to a starting shot. He is a tough and good kid. He has wheels, but his throwing motion is awkward. In his one opportunity, he made slow decisions. And most importantly, he is not a natural passer.

As I watched all of our QB's during pre-game warmups, the pure passer (tight spiral, trajectory, arm-strength, touch passes) was Riley Ferguson. I have no idea what his decision making is like, but his natural ability to throw the ball is clear. I kept thinking...Man, too bad this kid is hurt because he can THROW THE BALL. Yet, he battled leg injury problems without ever playing a down. He may have the arm but may not have the wheels to play QB. Who knows if he has the mind? I would like to see him healthy and if he has game talent to match his throwing talent.

QB at UT is still up in the air. (pun intended)
 
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Why do people keep lying saying RF was ahead of Dobbs? This has been proven wrong by every source that actually knows. Dobbs will most likely start. He out performed RF in every game situation. RF looks good in drills but Dobbs is better when the lights come on.
 
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ice said:
Then who do you think will start next season?.
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Well, we now know what Dobbs can and can't do. We also know what Peterman can and can't do.

So, now the competition is between Fergy & Worley.

Had Worley played q.b. during the Vandy game, we would have won. We only needed one or two more offensive plays and we could have won.....
 
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PeytonManningVFL said:
Ferguson will be the starter...hands down although Worley will go into the spring as #1...
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Wrong. Dobbs will be the starter in the spring. 5 points higher completion % than Worley playing way better teams than Worley played. 20 less passing yards a game. This as a true freshman playing 3 top 5 teams. Also without North for two games. RF had already been passed up. Now Dobbs has played well for a true freshman against a killer schedule and RF is even further behind.
 
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k-town_king said:
Wrong. Dobbs will be the starter in the spring. 5 points higher completion % than Worley playing way better teams than Worley played. 20 less passing yards a game. This as a true freshman playing 3 top 5 teams. Also without North for two games. RF had already been passed up. Now Dobbs has played well for a true freshman against a killer schedule and RF is even further behind.
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Dobbs will be third string next year.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
Dobbs will be third string next year.
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Behind who? Worley who Dobbs is clearly better than but needed experience? Or RF who Dobbs had passed up and will be a redshirt freshman with no games under his belt? No one knows who starts game one but its doubtful that Dobbs will be third. He will be probably no 1 going into the spring.
 
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k-town_king said:
Why do people keep lying saying RF was ahead of Dobbs? This has been proven wrong by every source that actually knows. Dobbs will most likely start. He out performed RF in every game situation. RF looks good in drills but Dobbs is better when the lights come on.
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At this point, I think it's simple fandom. People have dug in on this to the point where nothing can change their minds even though there was never any proof of it to begin with -- just a whole lot of partisanship based on wishes and hopes.
 
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volger said:
There is a reason he was 3rd 4th string qb this year. He got the start because of injury and CBJ didn't want to burn RF's red shirt.

Your boy will be lucky to see the field next year. Kind of like this year.
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That's what this whole debate has turned into. A bunch of fanboys with mancrushes for Dobbs or Fergy. Quit picking sides and let the best man win.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
Proof you haven't watched one game this season :yes: Dobbs can't throw the long ball and most of the time he is throwing into coverage or throwing low...His 1st TD pass 4 games into his career I might add was a fluke pass that should've been an INT but true to form UK was just that much worse...Dobbs will be lucky to see the field this next season...If he does then CBJ should be fired unless he is our absolute last desperate choice....He is easily the most overrated QB to come down the pike in a long time.
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Ive watched every game this season. Every over thrown pass. Every underthrown pass. Every dropped catch. Every penalty.

As I said earlier, Dobbs has made mistakes. Dobbs has thrown a lot of interceptions. Dobbs has fumbled the ball.

Dobbs has also thrown many passes that should have been caught for 6. Dobbs has also broke for 20+ yards. Dobbs has been in the endzone with his legs.

Dobbs is a TRUE FRESHMAN, thrown in against the number one team at the time after an injury to Worley. He scored on the number one team, too.

I'm not saying he's the second coming. But I think it's more than reasonable to look at his performance from an objective point of view. If we're not looking at him with the hopes he's going to be Manning during his first starts against teams that are, who are we kidding, much more talented than we are, then he's done a hell of a job. Especially against a team, Kentucky, which let's be honest, is pretty much on the same talent field as us.

I'm all for starting the better QB come game time. Just show me the talent on the field; not on the bench.
 
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I may be wrong but honestly I don't see Dobbs as part of the qb equation next year. He was comparable this year to what Todd Helton was in 94.
 
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PeytonManningVFL said:
I may be wrong but honestly I don't see Dobbs as part of the qb equation next year. He was comparable this year to what Todd Helton was in 94.
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Worley would be Helton in this situation. He was a Junior holding the place for two talented freshman. Dobbs was a true freshman you realize don't you?
 
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k-town_king said:
Worley would be Helton in this situation. He was a Junior holding the place for two talented freshman. Dobbs was a true freshman you realize don't you?
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Yes but in this case a healthy Worley means no Dobbs. Justin was coming on before his season ending injury. Really I could care less...just did not see championship capabilities in Dobbs...wish I had...we would be in a bowl game and I wouldn't have to listen to the fans of Peabody U...all 10 of them.
 
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k-town_king said:
Behind who? Worley who Dobbs is clearly better than but needed experience? Or RF who Dobbs had passed up and will be a redshirt freshman with no games under his belt? No one knows who starts game one but its doubtful that Dobbs will be third. He will be probably no 1 going into the spring.
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I am not seeing this or where you come from. Worley engineers a comeback against 6th ranked GA in a game we should have won with either a defensive stand or without a botched fumble. Worley engineers a comeback victory over nationally ranked SC. Dobbs beats a horrid KY team. I mean Dobbs may end up being the guy but what is the agenda behind your bashing of Justin Worley?
 
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I believe it will be Riley Ferguson. Jmo.I've seen the other 3 play and wasn't impressed at all.....
 
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I don't think any of our QBs can be counted out. Jones said the QB position is wide open. That means whichever QB wants it will step up and win it. For all we know Peterman many come out as the #1 guy. It's highly unlikely that would happen, but not impossible.

I think way too many people are counting Worley out. The offense was starting to click with him before he got injured. Who knows what's gonna happen? I will say this, it would not surprise me one bit to see Worley as the starter next season.
 
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I willl be very surprised if Worley doesn't start. Dobbs hasn't "gotten there" yet while Worley did. Had Worley been healthy they would have beaten Vandy and bowling.

I know Worley isn't the greatest thing but if he plays like he did against SCjr next year will be quite successful. Dobbs looked good against Kentucky but... it's Kentucky.
 
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