2014 Season Bottom line

#26
#26
Year Two has to see massive improvements across the board. Every phase of the Vol team has to look better.

Year Two is the pivot point. Elite coaches make immense strides in Year Two. There is still an incredible adjustment period over Year One. That can't be there in Year Two even with 35 new VFLs on the roster.

I think 6 - 6 is the minimum for Year Two. Almost as importantly, the offense and defense have to look faster, crisper, and more prepared every game. Massive improvement has to be seen. In every phase of play.
 
#27
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sjt18 said:
Can you point to a program that kept a coach with a losing record after 3 years that rose to championships? If you can, it would be an anomaly.

You are like a guru around these chat boards but surely you aren't suggesting that it is better to keep coaches who are subpar performers than to take a chance on replacing them with someone better?
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Frank Beamer at VAT
Johnny Majors at Tennessee
Shug Jordan at Auburn

off the top of my head
 
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oregonvol said:
Yep, you have to go way back, back to when six figures was a good coaching salary.
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try checking out the percentage of coaching hires that are winners versus losers. chances are greater that the hire you make fails opposed to being successful
 
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#30
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sjt18 said:
Then maybe you should tell the folks who have been taking shots at me for saying that 5-7 was subpar and that the coaches needed to greatly improve.
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I am in agreement with you there. We should have absolutely went 6-6 and that is on the staff. The recruiting does make me optimistic though.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Year Two has to see massive improvements across the board. Every phase of the Vol team has to look better.

Year Two is the pivot point. Elite coaches make immense strides in Year Two. There is still an incredible adjustment period over Year One. That can't be there in Year Two even with 35 new VFLs on the roster.

I think 6 - 6 is the minimum for Year Two. Almost as importantly, the offense and defense have to look faster, crisper, and more prepared every game. Massive improvement has to be seen. In every phase of play.
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Entirely reasonable, though the improvements should actually show in the W/L column as well.
 
#34
#34
When you lose the fanbase (and $) it changes the game. Jones has done a solid job on the front end of grabbing some loyalty from the fan base. He'll eventually have to win to hold that, but he is in a much better place than the last guy in those regards. He was a bad coach, and never won the PR battle either.
 
#35
#35
For those paying attention:

We lost to 6 (!) ranked teams, one that was not, and they are an 8-win team. One was ranked 19th, in the Swamp, before the loss of Easley, etc. The others were 9th, 9th, 1st, 2nd, and 6th, one of whom is in the BCSNC game.

We defeated an opponent ranked significantly higher than any Ohio St. managed to beat this season.

But yep, it's inexcusable that the coaches didn't win 6 with a true freshman QB almost half the season. They suck.
/sarc

AV
 
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#36
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sjt18 said:
Kidding? There have been whole threads dedicated to that very idea. I have been called a negavol, troll, yada, yada, yada for nothing more than saying it was an underachievement by the coaching staff.

Have you really missed that much in the threads you've been posting in?
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Most rational posters aren't celebrating 5-7 like you claim they are, but understand that given what Butch inherited they are willing to give it more time. This is in stark contrast to posters like you and Oregonvol who lack basic college football knowledge as evidenced by your incessant pissing and moaning about not being 8-4 and giving no historical context or perspective to your analysis (if you can call it that) of this coaching staff and the overall performance of the team.
 
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#37
#37
Next years schedule is about an 8.
This year's schedule went to 11.
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#39
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sjt18 said:
Can you point to a program that kept a coach with a losing record after 3 years that rose to championships? If you can, it would be an anomaly.

You are like a guru around these chat boards but surely you aren't suggesting that it is better to keep coaches who are subpar performers than to take a chance on replacing them with someone better?
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Tennessee. John Majors
 
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#41
#41
sjt18 said:
Can you point to a program that kept a coach with a losing record after 3 years that rose to championships? If you can, it would be an anomaly.

You are like a guru around these chat boards but surely you aren't suggesting that it is better to keep coaches who are subpar performers than to take a chance on replacing them with someone better?
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Well Duke won their division, albeit not a championship. Must've felt like a championship for the fans though.
 
#43
#43
Cartervol said:
But but but. We'll have training wheels on both lines of scrimmage. We're young. They've had five classes to build depth. These are just a few of the built in excuses. I want to see some improvement next year regardless.. No year zero and no 5 year rebuild projects. Get it done. Not expecting miracles ,at least a bowl game please.
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:lolabove:All our brilliant experts have spoken. Take it to the bank VN.
 
#44
#44
this team should compete and win 7 games counting the bowl. I don't think that is to much to ask considering what we have returning that has a year in the system under their belt and the talent this class is supposed to have. If we fail to win 7 games it will be due to coaching.
 
#46
#46
volroadwarrior said:
:lolabove:All our brilliant experts have spoken. Take it to the bank VN.
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6 wins isn't unreasonable. You don't think some of those won't be used as excuses then you're fooling yourself. There will still be a year 3 and possibly 4. They shouldn't be excused for not at least getting to a bowl game. Hard to maintain any momentum when you can't at least post a winning record, or look like you're not stuck in neutral..:twocents::twocents:
 
#48
#48
Lexvol said:
For Jones yes……for OC/DC….hmmm?
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You almost have to hope these guys work. I don't like switching coaches around. Usually takes a season or two. By the time this is likely to happen Jones would probably be in a must show something year. Similar to Dooley. I don't want this one to end up like that. Hurts a program more than anything.
 
#49
#49
Cartervol said:
But but but. We'll have training wheels on both lines of scrimmage. We're young. They've had five classes to build depth. These are just a few of the built in excuses. I want to see some improvement next year regardless.. No year zero and no 5 year rebuild projects. Get it done. Not expecting miracles ,at least a bowl game please.
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That will 100% be next years excuse.
 
#50
#50
govols105 said:
Bottom line is 7-6 including a bowl win. Anything less and the coaching staff will need some overhauling. Blah, blah, but, but it's still Dooley's players, we don't have depth or talent excuses are gone. We used them this past season. The excuses just mentioned will not be able to cover up bad coaching especially since we look to land a top 5 recruiting class for 2014.
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Better coaching effort gets you to a six win regular season. The same level of coaching will yield a 4 or 5 win season.

I will be much more "posivol" if they win six or more about their ability to coach.
 
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