2014 Season Bottom line

[sjt18]

Youth will be a REASON for only six wins. It will be an excuse for anything less.


Modify this to five.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Entirely reasonable, though the improvements should actually show in the W/L column as well.

Agreed, but I figured I'd get flayed if I actually demanded a 7th win.

I'm with you though, OC/DC are actually on the hot-seat - if we have another losing season - especially a worst season in Vol history type 2014.

 

[govols105]

See people forget this legacy class has kids playing for us who's parents are former vols and know the game so the kids coming in should know the basics and their football fundamentals should be solid. Experience will take some time to gain but it should not cost us a winning season. That will be on the coaches.

 

[orangeluvr]

2016,persevere .

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Frank Beamer at VAT
Johnny Majors at Tennessee
Shug Jordan at Auburn

off the top of my head

Add the architect of the greatest rebuilding project in college football history, Bill Snyder, to that list. In his first four seasons at Kansas State, Snyder was 18-26.

Speaking of Cutcliffe, David was 21-40 during his first five years at Duke (2008-2012) before turning the corner this year with a 10-3 campaign.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

See people forget this legacy class has kids playing for us who's parents are former vols and know the game so the kids coming in should know the basics and their football fundamentals should be solid. Experience will take some time to gain but it should not cost us a winning season. That will be on the coaches.

As this class matures, you can expect extraordinary leadership from its core members, something which has been sorely lacking for years but which has already manifested itself in the recruitment process.

 

[JMSqb11]

But but but. We'll have training wheels on both lines of scrimmage. We're young. They've had five classes to build depth. These are just a few of the built in excuses. I want to see some improvement next year regardless.. No year zero and no 5 year rebuild projects. Get it done. Not expecting miracles ,at least a bowl game please.

You're obviously in for a let down if you don't think this is a 5 year rebuild job. That is my expectation. Could I be pleasantly surprised and us win a few games that weren't expected? Yes and I would love nothing more than that. But for us to be a week in and week out national competitor, it is going to to have be a long term build job. You guys want to see continued improvement. Nothing wrong with that at all. However, I want to consistent success and that is going to be 4-5 years where we are that way week in and week out.

 

[BeecherVol]

You almost have to hope these guys work. I don't like switching coaches around. Usually takes a season or two. By the time this is likely to happen Jones would probably be in a must show something year. Similar to Dooley. I don't want this one to end up like that. Hurts a program more than anything.

I don't think anyone hopes that they fail or wants to see a situation where changes have to be made to the staff out of necessity. If they do, it has become personal and they should turn their fan card in. Dooley had some good coaches that left because he sucked and they knew the ship was sinking. Jones is still standing on solid ground and will not see defections like that this year and I don't expect to see any next year either.

That said, the longer you hold on to a coordinator or position coach that is not elite your hurting the program in the long run.

Everybody has an opinion, some think this is the best staff we can hire. Others think we can upgrade at a few spots. I fall into the second category right now.

 

[oregonvol]

Add the architect of the greatest rebuilding project in college football history, Bill Snyder, to that list. In his first four seasons at Kansas State, Snyder was 18-26.

Speaking of Cutcliffe, David was 21-40 during his first five years at Duke (2008-2012) before turning the corner this year with a 10-3 campaign.

So, you're saying, if we're lucky, we can one day enjoy the sustained success and all the conference championships of Duke and Kansas State?

 

[KBVol]

Eh, most people here said anything less than 6-6 this season would be subpar. But then, after Butch went 5-7, most of them decided that was a job well done. Butch could go 3-9 next year and the sheep on here will find some excuse to defend him.

And next year he could go 8-4, 9-3 and you'd find a way to criticize him. You're right and I'm right, no?

 

[Volosaurus rex]

So, you're saying, if we're lucky, we can one day enjoy the sustained success and all the conference championships of Duke and Kansas State?

Those were in response to LWSVol's post concerning coaches who enjoyed successful tenures but got off to a slow start at their respective universities. Regardless of his prior success at Florida, you could also throw Spurrier into that pot. He was 35-28 in his first five seasons at South Carolina.

Oregonvol, has that cloud situated directly above your head ever stopped raining? For once in your life, say something, anything, that is positive pertaining to Tennessee football. Your incessant negativity is exhausting.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Add the architect of the greatest rebuilding project in college football history, Bill Snyder, to that list. In his first four seasons at Kansas State, Snyder was 18-26.

Speaking of Cutcliffe, David was 21-40 during his first five years at Duke (2008-2012) before turning the corner this year with a 10-3 campaign.

Wasn't that about 18 wins more than Duke football had the previous five years?

In Cut's case, it's a bit relative. I don't think even Spurrier took Duke to these heights. Hell, I'm sure most people don't remember Spurrier coached Duke without some help from Google.

Edit: I read the second sentence, Volasaurus, without the first. Context, EVH, context.

 

[Biopsyman]

Funny

 

[oregonvol]

Those were in response to LWSVol's post concerning coaches who enjoyed successful tenures but got off to a slow start at their respective universities. Regardless of his prior success at Florida, you could also throw Spurrier into that pot. He was 35-28 in his first five seasons at South Carolina.

Oregonvol, has that cloud situated directly above your head ever stopped raining? For once in your life, say something, anything, that is positive pertaining to Tennessee football. Your incessant negativity is exhausting.

What I find negative is the notion many on here propose, including yourself, that we should hold ourselves to the same standards as South Carolina and Kansas State and Duke and, in so doing, be happy if a coach never manages a conference championship (like Spurrier at South Carolina) or be happy if they take 6 years to manage a winning season (like Cutcliffe at Duke). That's real negativity, in my opinion. The notion that a program that was once great, one that continues to charge top prices and operate under a huge AD budget, should expect no better than traditional bottom feeders who will, at best, win 1 conference championship in a 40 year span. That is simply sad.

 

[oregonvol]

And next year he could go 8-4, 9-3 and you'd find a way to criticize him. You're right and I'm right, no?

No. I even said, before the Vanderbilt game, that I would probably consider a 6-6 season with a win over South Carolina a pretty good season overall. Sorry, I couldn't lower my standards further, like the rest of you.

But I guess you will keep lying and putting words in my mouth. That much is a certainty.

 

[k-town_king]

A 6-6 regular season is very reasonable. We should have an improved o and d and there is no way the special teams can be as terrible.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Irrational is thinking that 6-6 would not be a pretty good coaching job next year... and thinking that 5-7 WAS a good coaching job this year.

Next year is tough to predict because there are just so many unknowns. The OL and DL are definitely unknowns. Even though the secondary returns almost every contributor... it is still an unknown. LB is an unknown. WR is still young and really returns no one that was a consistent playmaker... not even North. No one really emerged at TE. Lane is more or less a known quantity but no one else at RB is.

The biggest unknown is that almost half of UT's roster will be guys signed in Feb 14. There is no way to know how much they will contribute or how soon.

This season UT had a 7 win roster. Six wins would have been treading water. Five wins was an underachievement. Next year looks a game worse than this year based on inexperience and lack of development since so many new players will play key roles.

Winning six next year will be the coaching equivalent of 7 this year... which would have demonstrated these coaches can produce more than the sum of the talent of a roster.

Wow you really think UT should have won 7 games? Your pretend constructive criticism posts are getting beyond pathetic. A lot of people picked us to finish either 5-7 or 6-6 and that was way before Mizzou and Auburn became so good. So no even remotely expecting 7 wins this year was insanity.

North is not a playmaker? Ok, whatever you say dude. He made some huge plays for us and without him we lose the SC game. Did he make some freshman mistakes? Yes but he was a true freshman so mistakes are allowed. Your days must be spent trying to find new and creative ways to insult Butch and the team in general.

 

[BennisDrewer]

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[Volosaurus rex]

What I find negative is the notion many on here propose, including yourself, that we should hold ourselves to the same standards as South Carolina and Kansas State and Duke and, in so doing, be happy if a coach never manages a conference championship (like Spurrier at South Carolina) or be happy if they take 6 years to manage a winning season (like Cutcliffe at Duke). That's real negativity, in my opinion. The notion that a program that was once great, one that continues to charge top prices and operate under a huge AD budget, should expect no better than traditional bottom feeders who will, at best, win 1 conference championship in a 40 year span. That is simply sad.

Wholly inaccurate conclusion. I never said, nor do I adhere, to the belief that "we should hold ourselves to the same standards as South Carolina and Kansas State and Duke." Tennessee is historically a top ten program. Based on its tradition and history, Tennessee is not a particularly difficult program to maintain, once you have it back up and performing to the standards we all expect. When it is down, however, Tennessee is a slower rebuild due to its historically weak instate recruiting base. Fortunately, that talent pool is finally beginning to pick up in terms of both quantity and quality. Not every rebuild is accompanied by the same circumstances.

The difference between you and me is that I categorically do not believe in publicly airing our dirty laundry. As a UT grad and fan (of 46 years), I am no more happy with the outcome of the last five years than you are, but you will not see me engaged in constantly criticizing our players and coaches. Conversely, your devotion to our alma mater may be every bit as intense as mine, but it is very difficult to see it masked by the constant stream of negativity.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Wholly inaccurate conclusion. I never said, nor do I adhere, to the belief that "we should hold ourselves to the same standards as South Carolina and Kansas State and Duke." Tennessee is historically a top ten program. Based on its tradition and history, Tennessee is not a particularly difficult program to maintain, once you have it back up and performing to the standards we all expect. When it is down, however, Tennessee is a slower rebuild due to its historically weak instate recruiting base. Fortunately, that talent pool is finally beginning to pick up in terms of both quantity and quality. Not every rebuild is accompanied by the same circumstances.

The difference between you and me is that I categorically do not believe in publicly airing our dirty laundry. As a UT grad and fan (of 46 years), I am no more happy with the outcome of the last five years than you are, but you will not see me engaged in constantly criticizing our players and coaches. Conversely, your devotion to our alma mater may be every bit as intense as mine, but it is very difficult to see it masked by the constant stream of negativity.

Good post. We will be back.

 

[#16s Dad]

Stone Cold reference aside, its going to take more than this class to turn this around. I do expect to win a few more games next year but don't think we will compete for the east.

Why not?

We are the Tennessee Volunteers we always compete for the east every year.

 

[MOOOOONEY]

I am looking at the schedule and see what should be 6 wins automatically, and these are games that we should win.

Utah state, Arkansas State, Chattanooga, Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy.

We should at least win 1 out of Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss and South Carolina.

I see 2 games we probably do not win, at Oklahoma and Alabama.

I think 7-5 regular season is pretty realistic.

Our receivers should be better with adding Pearson and Malone as EE, along with North, Croom, and Pig.

QB play will be much improved.

Adding Hurd as an EE will help at RB, butt I think we still need to add 1 more.

Oline will be young but I will take experienced and talented skill position players any day over an experienced Oline.

I do not see how our Dline play can get any worse, so we have to improve and having 2 EE's in Lambert and Williams helps.

LB is the spot I think we get a whole lot better at , Keeping Weatherd is priority. I think this LB class can be the best we have signed in a very long time.

The secondary will be much improved with this signing class.

I am calling 7-5 regular season at the very least.

 

[Volumnus 2011]

I am looking at the schedule and see what should be 6 wins automatically, and these are games that we should win.

Utah state, Arkansas State, Chattanooga, Kentucky, Missouri, and Vandy.

We should at least win 1 out of Georgia, Florida, Ole Miss and South Carolina.

I see 2 games we probably do not win, at Oklahoma and Alabama.

I think 7-5 regular season is pretty realistic.

Our receivers should be better with adding Pearson and Malone as EE, along with North, Croom, and Pig.

QB play will be much improved.

Adding Hurd as an EE will help at RB, butt I think we still need to add 1 more.

Oline will be young but I will take experienced and talented skill position players any day over an experienced Oline.

I do not see how our Dline play can get any worse, so we have to improve and having 2 EE's in Lambert and Williams helps.

LB is the spot I think we get a whole lot better at , Keeping Weatherd is priority. I think this LB class can be the best we have signed in a very long time.

The secondary will be much improved with this signing class.

I am calling 7-5 regular season at the very least.

Why should we beat Missouri?

 

[MOOOOONEY]

Why should we beat Missouri?

Missouri losing most of their secondary and sams, plus 5 starters on offense plus having them at home
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[sjt18]

Add the architect of the greatest rebuilding project in college football history, Bill Snyder, to that list. In his first four seasons at Kansas State, Snyder was 18-26.
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He took over a program that had won 9 games in six years. They had not won even one game in the previous two years. I don't think it is a stretch at all to say those 18 wins or achieving 7 in only his 3rd year was pretty immediate success.