2017 Class Ranking Tracker

#51
#51
And Number 1 in our hearts! These boys are going to spend the next 3 or 4 years fighting for our entertainment. GBO!
 
#53
#53
BigZiti09 said:
Agree. Similar to the broken composite. What it's attempting to do would be nice but it's doesn't work because the data being fed into it.
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Which is the case for all of the rankings. It's like trying to measure who has the prettiest cheerleaders. There is a ton of noise in all of this data. Kid is a three star because he didn't camp with us. Or because he had an injury in October. Or because his team didn't feature him. Rolling it up doesn't change that.
 
#54
#54
I feel like some are missing the point behind the ranking by offers ranking...they're getting hung up on committable vs. uncommitable offers and things like that and to me that's irrelevant...the ranking is capturing the importance of the opinions of actual coaches...

Most of these guys have playing experience and years of evaluation/coaching experience...and they are paid millions to get this right...they spend countless hours evaluating recruits and eventually decide that certain players are good enough to play for them...

Now it is a fact that after that offer things change for a given team...maybe other players take the recruits spot that was available when the offer was extended or maybe the team needs change due to injuries, suspensions or player transfers...but that doesn't change the fact that these coaches who are paid millions evaluated that recruit and deemed him good enough to play for them..

To me this ranking is every bit as valid as these other sites...tell me whse evaluations you trust more...Sabah, Meyer, Jones, McElwain...or Mike Farrel
 
#55
#55
Are you saying an uncommitable offer is just as good as a commitable one?

Saban ranked Parks and Ray the same?
 
#56
#56
Ulysees E. McGill said:
Lol at the genius above talking about the decommitted players in this class...EVERY single one of them was pushed out. Everybody here that actually takes the time to follow recruiting knew they were going to be dumped a long time before they were.
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I agree, maybe one or two (Johnson for ex) decomitted own their own but I agree with most. Thing is, is that a good thing? A coach in Nashville told me that is why Tn kids haven't recruited peers as hard. They don't know if they are recruiting their replacement and he said it has also hurt CBJ relationship with Tn HS coaches. I didn't think about that but he's right. What coach is going to be happy his kid got accepted then told no when they could have still been checking out other schools as some kids shut down their recruitment.

As he said, commitment goes both ways. Makes sense. Now, I'm sure a couple kids don't own up on their end (grades, etc) but not normally over 10 a year like Tn has done.

"Why take a commit if you aren't willing to honor your offer if the kid does all he is asked to do?" I couldn't refute that statement.

I understand 'replacing' with better players but not replacing nearly the entire class and not even upgrading, traded 3s for 3s. Your honest thoughts? If it was your kid or a kid in your church? How would you answer the quoted question? This convo happened two weeks ago so I value your input/response. I thought it was something to ponder, agree?
 
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#57
#57
thunder5 said:
Alabamas class is ridiculous...again...no matter what site you look at...just ridiculous...

I don't see how us or anyone catches up with classes of 5+ five stars every year...that's way more discouraging to me than finishing a few spots below other SEC teams
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We just better hope Kirby can't coach his classes are stupid....even Florida closed very nice. I don't think butch can make it trying to coach up lesser talent than other school. however if talent is even at least then we are in pretty good shape.
 
#58
#58
Lots of offers are worthless the day they are extended. Kids are "offered" and can't commit that day. Of course things can change and as a school fills up the offer is no longer good. Rankings by offer lists is a waste IMO. What good is 7 SEC offers for a kid in June if only 1 school would accept his commitment in June? Worthless.
 
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#59
#59
CrunchingTheVolz said:
Lots of offers are worthless the day they are extended. Kids are "offered" and can't commit that day. Of course things can change and as a school fills up the offer is no longer good. Rankings by offer lists is a waste IMO. What good is 7 SEC offers for a kid in June if only 1 school would accept his commitment in June? Worthless.
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True, but by that logic every player between the East coast and West coast would have an offer from Alabama or Florida State but they don't. If a player is holding a dozen offers and they consist of Weber State or UT Martin then it is pretty obvious Alabama or Florida State isn't legit. But, if a player is holding a dozen offers and they consist of Michigan, Iowa, LSU, Virginia Tech, etc. then is probably a legit offer. It isn't nearly as complicated as some of you suggest and I will take a coaches word over Mike Farrell's or Jamie Newberg any day of the week. They have their own prejudices toward certain programs or teams.
 
#60
#60
Farrell has generally given a higher rating to a player if they receive an offer from Alabama or commit to Alabama. Newberg has always been a Notre Dame homer and never even bothered to hide it. Barton Simmons?? These are the guys you are erupting over?! If a player holds offers from primarily MAC schools or no other SEC offers then it is a reach no matter what his ranking is but the same holds true for the opposite.
 
#62
#62
Let's just go into fall ready to kick some ass. These are recruits not our starting 22 nor should they be.
 
#64
#64
#Vol4Life1991 said:
247 noncomposite has us at 11
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Its all bs. Much like the Oscars. Subjective evals and politics. 1, 11 30, it doesnt equal wins i dont care what "metrics" you use oh yeah those always,come from the services, how convenient.
 
#65
#65
landscapingvol said:
The one at the bottom is the only one that matters. The rest are full of conjecture and personal bias. The more teams the want a player in general means the better they are. It isn't rocket science.
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If those are the kinds of opinions you value, you should just use ESPN's recruiting site, because all of their talent evaluators, experts, and analysts are former coaches, scouts, and players.

InVOLuntary said:
Does the rankbyoffer one verify a committable offer? We offer bunches of kids that we'd never allow to sign come signing day. I'm sure that's true everywhere. If they're not verifying committable offers then it's a pretty useless stat IMO.
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Not only that, but where did the offers come from? All offers aren't created equal.

I don't know how it all works, but the rank by offer "system" seems pretty stupid if they don't take into account where the offers came from; as well as, as you say, whether or not the offers are legit.

Let's say player A has 2 dozen offers; 21 of them come from Sun Belt and CUSA coaches, and the other 3 come from VU, UK, and MSU.

Player B also has 2 dozen offers; 21 of them come from top SEC and ACC teams, while the other 3 come from CUSA and AAC teams in his home state.

Are those 2 players equal simply because they both have the same number of offers and include some P5 teams and teams from lesser conferences? Because player A is likely a 2*/3* talent, and player B a 4*/5* talent.
 
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#67
#67
VolRoger said:
Tennessee is being punished in this composite ranking because of the unusually high proportion of 3 star to higher ranked prospects on their large signee list. The composite claims to be the most unbiased, but that is only an opinion due to its use of a rather sophisticated statistical formula to compute the composite score. If you look at Florida, they are rated 3 places higher at present than Tennessee because their 22 (6 fewer than UT) recruits are about a 50/50 split of 4 and 3 stars. UT has 6 more recruits but 23 of the 28 are 3 stars (according to 247). It could be worse I believe if we didn't have the one 5 star in Trey. The formula starts out its calc by using the top rated player in the class as a 100 score then works down in points from there in the class (2nd highest, 3rd highest, etc.) to compute a standard deviation weight. My guess is that if UT had fewer recruits (say 25 total) and the three less were lower rated 3 stars, then we likely are a few places higher in the composite despite no added 4 and 5 star players. In the end its just a math formula. UT's large class with a lot of 3 stars could end up being really good players which the Rivals, ESPN's, Scout, and ironically 247 (standard ratings) rewards. Think of the composite more as adding a "risk factor weight" to a teams avg. player rankings. The more 3 stars in your class the higher the risk of non-development into a top college player I believe is the "theory". :zeitung_lesen:
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Yeah theory. In other words unproven and probably bull sheet.
Using the above rankings it averages up 11.8. Averaging something up and then factoring in subjective biased factors adds up to manure. Especially when the number comes out higher than other services final scores. It's just ammo for nega Vols and manipulation by negative media that has no validity. Whoever does those types of evals should be called out. Reminds me of "fake news"
 
#68
#68
InVOLuntary said:
Does the rankbyoffer one verify a committable offer? We offer bunches of kids that we'd never allow to sign come signing day. I'm sure that's true everywhere. If they're not verifying committable offers then it's a pretty useless stat IMO.
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Lol no they dont. It's why the "ranking" is a complete joke to everyone outside a few who just don't know any better. Not sure how or why it caught steam on this site. Verbal offers are not even close to the same thing as official offers and official offers can't even be released until August.
 
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