2020 Presidential Race

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carlos86 said:
Trump has been President for 3 and a half years and no one know what that even means. If that means the U.S. being isolated from the world foreign policy wise for the first since the 1930s than yes.
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You've been playing the monkey game of dumb blind & the tone deaf angle for those years.
America takes care of itself now on priority ONE. The others come in second. America isn't isolated ... not one bit. That's a lie they (Dems) are programmed to tell their sheep like you to believe.....of which you do quiet well too.
 
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carlos86 said:
Trump has been President for 3 and a half years and no one know what that even means. If that means the U.S. being isolated from the world foreign policy wise for the first since the 1930s than yes.
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Keep on crying me those big liberal crocodile tears that you seem to never run out of daily. Boo Hoo.
 
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#45,155
carlos86 said:
Trump has been President for 3 and a half years and no one know what that even means. If that means the U.S. being isolated from the world foreign policy wise for the first since the 1930s than yes.
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Have you seen the rest of the world ? Come on tell us about that powerful EU and their world polices . Tell us about that strong military presence the Canadians , Australians and England keeps to fight off the evil Russian empire . Tell us who on this planet isn’t already bowing to China either economically or militarily . What world foreign policy do you want us to follow ?
 
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0nelilreb said:
That’s a lot of words to just say what we all know .. polls don’t mean nothing right now .
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1) That's not a lot of words.

2) Polls--like almost all applications of probability--absolutely do have meaning, but most people go out of their way to misinterpret them to bolster a predetermined agenda. That is why each side gleefully posts individual polls here. It's good clean fun.

3) The 538 election forecast is quite well done and not at all biased. Maybe the campaigns have sharper, more granular, models of the swing states, but they aren't going to share those with us, and no one is going to do better than 538 otherwise. 2020 Election Forecast
 
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Rifleman said:
1) That's not a lot of words.

2) Polls--like almost all applications of probability--absolutely do have meaning, but most people go out of their way to misinterpret them to bolster a predetermined agenda. That is why each side gleefully posts individual polls here. It's good clean fun.

3) The 538 election forecast is quite well done and not at all biased. Maybe the campaigns have sharper, more granular, models of the swing states, but they aren't going to share those with us, and no one is going to do better than 538 otherwise. 2020 Election Forecast
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Here’s less words that mean the same .. polls don’t matter right now .
 
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Terrible start of the week for Biden
1) stock market at record highs
2) COVID cases and hospitalized falling
3) GOP gets center stage for their convention
 
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0nelilreb said:
So you are saying the polls are correct , but it just depends on which ones , what they ask , who they ask and how they ask it ? Get out here .
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I have always appreciated your posts here and agree with you on a lot of stuff though we disagree on Trump. That was not what I was trying to say, and I didn't think I was saying anything that anyone would be bothered by.

Polls in aggregate show Trump is in a hole. It isn't over, but it isn't exactly in dispute that he is behind and it does change the stakes for the RNC and Trump going forward, and it changes the strategies available. It matters. He may make an incredible comeback and my first post pointed out that Biden could even get his current polling average and lose the electoral college.

Butch blew a much more significant lead than Biden's in the Swamp in . . . that's still makes me angry so I just forgot the point I was trying to make.
 
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Rifleman said:
I have always appreciated your posts here and agree with you on a lot of stuff though we disagree on Trump. That was not what I was trying to say, and I didn't think I was saying anything that anyone would be bothered by.

Polls in aggregate show Trump is in a hole. It isn't over, but it isn't exactly in dispute that he is behind and it does change the stakes for the RNC and Trump going forward, and it changes the strategies available. It matters. He may make an incredible comeback and my first post pointed out that Biden could even get his current polling average and lose the electoral college.

Butch blew a much more significant lead than Biden's in the Swamp in . . . that's still makes me angry so I just forgot the point I was trying to make.
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Thank you , I probably was too over the top just based on my own personal believe that polling is such a large and profitable business that I tend not to believe that they are honest . I apologize for pushing that to abrasively.
Edit : while I’m at it .. the day my dad died on was this last weekend and I’ve been a Dic recently so I do apologize to everyone for being even more of my natural self . Lol
 
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VolnJC said:
Terrible start of the week for Biden
1) stock market at record highs
2) COVID cases and hospitalized falling
3) GOP gets center stage for their convention
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I hear Joe Biden doesn't have anywhere to go & has nothing to do this week. So it's back to normal for Joe.
They will keep him in the basement hiding & sucking on that thumb of his until later sometime next week...
 
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0nelilreb said:
Thank you , I probably was too over the top just based on my own personal believe that polling is such a large and profitable business that I tend not to believe that they are honest . I apologize for push that to abrasively.
Edit : while I’m at it .. the day may dad died on was this last weekend and I’ve been a Dic recently so I do apologize to everyone for being even more of my natural self . Lol
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No problem at all. I'm sure I can't control tone anymore and am sounding like a giant ass half the time, so it would be hard not to disagree with me if I said water is wet. LOL. I'm going to be glad to get 2020 in the review mirror. Condolences on the loss of your dad. I still drink way too much every year on the anniversary of my dad's passing and it has been 20 years now.
 
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Per "Redfield & Wilton Strategies":

Presidential General Election - National Poll
Joe Biden (D) ............ 49%
Donald Trump (R) ... 39%

Presidential General Election - Battleground / State By State Polls

Arizona
Joe Biden (D) ............ 47%
Donald Trump (R) ... 38%

Florida
Joe Biden (D) ............ 49%
Donald Trump (R) ... 41%

Michigan
Joe Biden (D) ............ 50%
Donald Trump (R) ... 38%

North Carolina
Joe Biden (D) ............ 44%
Donald Trump (R) ... 46%

Pennsylvania
Joe Biden (D) ............ 48%
Donald Trump (R) ... 41%

Wisconsin
Joe Biden (D) ............ 49%
Donald Trump (R) ... 39%

* I'm not familiar with "Redfield & Wilton Strategies", but from their site, they identify themselves as an accredited polling company and an international strategic research firm headquartered out of London. It's hard to glean a bias from their self-description, but admittedly, I haven't looked very deep.

As always, I don't need to be reminded of the 2016 election again. I get it. This post is for those people who trust polling data.
 
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