2020 Presidential Race

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***RoadVol*** said:
Trump went to war with the media during the last election. Do you expect them to not retaliate when he gives them so much ammo to work with?
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Yes, I expect them to be professionals and report the news in an unbiased fashion.

I know that's like looking for a unicorn but one can always hope.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm fine with everything except I disagree with the last sentence. I think he's just the guy democrats see as most likely to beat Trump and they don't care about anything else this time.
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Anyone would have beaten Trump with the media support they've been given. For example, Tulsi would have trounced him
 
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hog88 said:
But they couldn't control Tulsi, hence she had to go.
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And they've kept her silent and out in the cold. Brandished. She will have to seek another life or resurface as a Republican. Abd yes, they lacked the foresight to see that she was the only horse in the stable to beat trump.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Or hilarious if the polls are wrong again
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The polls weren't really wrong last time. Hillary was showing a slight lead that was within the margin for error (less than 4%). Biden's showing 10+% right now and the margin is widening every day. Not to mention that Trump is trailing in some states that are absolute must wins for him to have any chance.

But, sure, anything is possible.
 
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utvolpj said:
Anyone would have beaten Trump with the media support they've been given. For example, Tulsi would have trounced him
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Any normal Republican could have beaten Biden with the trillion dollar media support operation the right has built. For example, even Chris Christie would have trounced him. Biden will be an anomaly, like LBJ. A one-termer who won easily because of circumstances and an opponent obsessed with thinning his own support.

While Fox, OANN, talk radio, and social media influencers with millions of followers have made gargantuan efforts to make this election a referendum on Biden, their guy is simply too arrogant to allow that spotlight to linger on anyone but himself.

Trump had to call into Bartiromo and perform a weird monologue for an hour when she was trying to pump up Pence's debate victory and help Trump's campaign. That effectively ended the discussion of the debate, which could have been milked to great effect for several days. The GOP should sue him for political sabotage.
 
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Ashevolle said:
The polls weren't really wrong last time. Hillary was showing a slight lead that was within the margin for error (less than 4%). Biden's showing 10+% right now and the margin is widening every day. Not to mention that Trump is trailing in some states that are absolute must wins for him to have any chance.

But, sure, anything is possible.
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At this point in the election..... there were several polls that showed Hillary with a 12 point plus lead in the election..... add that with I don’t trust the way polling is done now..... as many biases are so over the top now.... and the fact that people have a tendency to give inaccurate answers on things such as that and I could definitely see it happening..... I watched videos for a week straight and hope to be watching them again..... it was some of the funniest stuff I had ever seen.
 
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volbeast33 said:
At this point in the election..... there were several polls that showed Hillary with a 12 point plus lead in the election..... add that with I don’t trust the way polling is done now..... as many biases are so over the top now.... and the fact that people have a tendency to give inaccurate answers on things such as that and I could definitely see it happening..... I watched videos for a week straight and hope to be watching them again..... it was some of the funniest stuff I had ever seen.
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Which poll had Hillary up 12 in mid-October? Looking through 538, Everything poll I can find shows Hillary up 2-4%, a tie, or Trump +1. So, everything seemed a lot tighter last time. 538 gave Hillary a 55% chance of winning, so just above a coin flip.
 
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volbeast33 said:
At this point in the election..... there were several polls that showed Hillary with a 12 point plus lead in the election..... add that with I don’t trust the way polling is done now..... as many biases are so over the top now.... and the fact that people have a tendency to give inaccurate answers on things such as that and I could definitely see it happening..... I watched videos for a week straight and hope to be watching them again..... it was some of the funniest stuff I had ever seen.
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There was one point in October, after the Access Hollywood tape, where Hillary scaled to the dizzy height of almost 47% in the polling aggregates and some Trump voters pulled back from him before returning.

By election day she was polling under 46% and her 3.1% national lead turned out to only be a 2.2% lead.

Currently Biden is at 52.4%. Not really the same situation, but of course Trump can win. It is just much less likely mathematically than four years ago at the same point.
 
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Well, #BoycottNBC, #BoycottMSNBC, & #ShameonNBC are currently trending because they are doing a town hall with President Trump.

I’m not a fan of either channel, but come on...
 
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UT_VOLS13 said:
FBI, DHS say hackers have gained access to election systems
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LOL.....still having issues with this, still can't do what they (obviously everyone at every level everywhere) are established to do, and knowing the importance of the issue, and time line and time over the last 4 years concerning elections (not mention previous 8- well 16 years....) and other people doing anything and everything to affect the results/legitemacy of an election........and our systems and people monitoring them are ineffective at their job.....

Love government. Replace all of these people and machines and companies with people who can do the job. Government. How many of these levels of ineffectiveness were on the job 4 years ago, 8, 12, 16........LOL.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Which poll had Hillary up 12 in mid-October? Looking through 538, Everything poll I can find shows Hillary up 2-4%, a tie, or Trump +1. So, everything seemed a lot tighter last time. 538 gave Hillary a 55% chance of winning, so just above a coin flip.
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Quick google search led to cnn..... Wall Street journal..... nbcnews.....cbs news..... associated press-gfr poll all had Hillary 12-15 points ahead mid October..... I didn’t look any further than that
 
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Rifleman said:
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There was one point in October, after the Access Hollywood tape, where Hillary scaled to the dizzy height of almost 47% in the polling aggregates and some Trump voters pulled back from him before returning.

By election day she was polling under 46% and her 3.1% national lead turned out to only be a 2.2% lead.

Currently Biden is at 52.4%. Not really the same situation, but of course Trump can win. It is just much less likely mathematically than four years ago at the same point.
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With the biases in the media.... I don’t trust any data that they put out there. I know I saw one the other day that said the republicans voting for trump was polling very low at this time.... if you believe those to be any accurate indication then you could definitely see that vote in the poll switching back to trump on election night
 
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