2020 Presidential Race

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titansvolsfaninga said:
He did recant, and say someone paid him 130k. What's the correlation between guns and votes? Can I take my ballot down to the bank and rob them with my vote? If i leave my ballot laying around, can my 8 year old kill my 3 year old? Your argument is called false equivalency. Voting should be easy, it is a right bestowed every eligible citizen. Every citizen should not own a gun.
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The Constitution says every citizen can own a gun, though.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
The 2a says that every Eligible citizen who wants one should own a gun.
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Not should but can. Every citizen ain't eligible because of criminal record or mental defect. I have no problems with guns, but what do guns have to do with voting? State your argument plain, because i will not go down a rabbit hole with you.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Everything you listed is already done. So what is the problem?
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no it’s not.
It’s not even close.
In the places the system is stated was used there are no problems. However where they mailed out ballots to people who didn’t ask for them, didn’t require ID to vote day of. Didn’t require ID to request ballots, started counting before the mail in was complete acccetping ballots for days after the election, it’s been a complete cluster **** with at least 3 states being recounted.

Do you ever tire of being half informed and just plain wrong
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Not should but can. Every citizen ain't eligible because of criminal record or mental defect. I have no problems with guns, but what do guns have to do with voting? State your argument plain, because i will not go down a rabbit hole with you.
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As answered twice already. It goes to how important you view each issue. And you overlooked the word Eligible. And then started your straw man.
Which is typical of the disingenuous
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Again, laws have been put in place where criminals and others can not, for the safety of society. But what does that have to do with voting. Voting and guns are different things.
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Except there is a correlation. There should be laws to protect society when it comes to voting. Voting should not be hard, but it should be protected. I've never understood the argument against voter ID. It's silly to think that requiring proof of who you are somehow makes voting harder. It doesn't.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
no it’s not.
It’s not even close.
In the places the system is stated was used there are no problems. However where they mailed out ballots to people who didn’t ask for them, didn’t require ID to vote day of. Didn’t require ID to request ballots, started counting before the mail in was complete acccetping ballots for days after the election, it’s been a complete cluster **** with at least 3 states being recounted.

Do you ever tire of being half informed and just plain wrong
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I had to verify my information when I requested a ballot. My wife did too.
Maybe you need to put forth a better candidate. Less racist would be a good start. A Mitt Romney type maybe.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I had to verify my information when I requested a ballot. My wife did too.
Maybe you need to put forth a better candidate. Less racist would be a good start. A Mitt Romney type maybe.
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I never cared who won and didn't support either candidate, yet I'm a firm believer in doing more to secure elections. So your "should of put forth a better candidate" deflection doesn't work on me. Again, voting should be simple, yet still secure. We need a better system. Period. It's not about who won THIS election, it's about making sure every election is fair and accurate. I don't think that's unreasonable.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Again, laws have been put in place where criminals and others can not, for the safety of society. But what does that have to do with voting. Voting and guns are different things.
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Both are constitutional rights and should be treated as such. It’s “voter suppression” to have an ID or have to show up to vote in person but you have to do all kinds of bs in order to own a gun.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Rallies don't win elections. Never been to a rally in my life.... no need to go. I knew who I was voting for. The rallies that donald has is more for his ego than anything else. They are like cult gatherings. He lies, they cheer. They chant, he smiles. Sad really....
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wrong.
Enthusiasm = more voter turnout. Trump has 72m votes.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
He did recant, and say someone paid him 130k. What's the correlation between guns and votes? Can I take my ballot down to the bank and rob them with my vote? If i leave my ballot laying around, can my 8 year old kill my 3 year old? Your argument is called false equivalency. Voting should be easy, it is a right bestowed every eligible citizen. Every citizen should not own a gun.
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No citizen should have to pay a tax , or apply for and be granted or denied a permit to use a right they already have . Imagine the outcry of having to apply for a permit and be forced into taking an 8 hour course, while having a background check ran on you , just to vote .
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm getting tired of seeing the Trump apologists compare this to Al Gore in 2000. The 2000 election hung in the balance on one district in one state, which involved a margin of about 1,800 total votes on election night. That was a truly close election. This was not.
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Stop being dumb. I agree it is too much to overcome but when 150M people vote and it comes down to less than 45,000 total votes it is close.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
As answered twice already. It goes to how important you view each issue. And you overlooked the word Eligible. And then started your straw man.
Which is typical of the disingenuous
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I've said eligible. Should is nowhere in the 2A. It is implied can. Can meaning that can choose to do so or not. Just like everyone can vote. You have to show ID to to register, and you have to show ID when you vote. You just can't show up. How else will they know if you are registered. Otherwise you vote provisional ballot and have to return to verify your identity.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Stop being dumb. I agree it is too much to overcome but when 150M people vote and it comes down to less than 45,000 total votes it is close.
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less than 45K? In which state? AZ is like 12K, NV is 30K, PA is 50K. There is no path to victory for donald. This is all being done to sow discourse.
 
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MarcoVol said:
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Tens of Thousands of Pennsylvania Ballots Returned Earlier Than Sent Date: Researcher

Tens of Thousands of Pennsylvania Ballots Returned Earlier Than Sent Date: Researcher
November 10, 2020 11:47, Last Updated: November 10, 2020 20:26
By Petr Svab

More than 20,000 absentee ballots in Pennsylvania have impossible return dates and another more than 80,000 have return dates that raise questions, according to a researcher’s analysis of the state’s voter database.


Over 51,000 ballots were marked as returned just a day after they were sent out—an extraordinary speed, given U.S. Postal Service (USPS) delivery times, while nearly 35,000 were returned on the same day they were mailed out. Another more than 23,000 have a return date earlier than the sent date. More than 9,000 have no sent date.


The state’s voter records are being scrutinized as President Donald Trump is challenging the results of the presidential election in Pennsylvania and other states where his opponent, former Vice President Joe Biden, holds a tight lead. The Trump campaign is alleging that invalid ballots have been counted for Democrats and valid ballots for Republicans were thrown away.


The analysis of the publicly available data was conducted by a data researcher who submitted it first to the Chinese-language edition of The Epoch Times. The researcher, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said he consulted about the matter with several USPS field engineers, who said the return dates shown in the database are “impossible.”
 
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