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Please list terrorists acts and/or killings committed by Antifa or BLM. The only Antifa killing that I am aware of is in Portland, and that guy was killed by police.
You’re kidding, right? I mean, you can’t be THIS blind. They have literally been burning down buildings, destroying public property and privately owned business. They have looted hundreds of stores, and not to mention have killed. Or have you purposely forgotten officer David Dorn.

It’s one thing to be partisan, we all have our biases, but to act as you are here like antifa and BLM are docile is a level of willful ignorance that I don’t believe I’ve ever seen before
 
I wish they didn't do it but I support their right to control their site just like any other business. I would imagine sites like that see an amazing amount of stupid
And they should have the protections of 230 removed because they are clearly censoring conservatives while allowing liberals free reign. Oh, and all the while lying about it under oath.
 
If you get a chance, could you please expand on this part of your reply.
It depends on how it was reversed. If it’s reversed in the courts based on the current evidence, then we have a problem with the courts subverting the will of the people. If it was proven there was mass fraud committed that prevented a fair election then it’s a different problem. Both scenarios mean we don’t have a democracy.
 
It depends on how it was reversed. If it’s reversed in the courts based on the current evidence, then we have a problem with the courts subverting the will of the people. If it was proven there was mass fraud committed that prevented a fair election then it’s a different problem. Both scenarios mean we don’t have a democracy.

I think you misunderstood my question or I was bad at asking it. I was saying if the results of the election were reversed (not overturned). As in if Trump were leading.
 
You’re kidding, right? I mean, you can’t be THIS blind. They have literally been burning down buildings, destroying public property and privately owned business. They have looted hundreds of stores, and not to mention have killed. Or have you purposely forgotten officer David Dorn.

It’s one thing to be partisan, we all have our biases, but to act as you are here like antifa and BLM are docile is a level of willful ignorance that I don’t believe I’ve ever seen before
So it is your contention that the looter was part of BLM. Those people that were out there looting were not BLM protestors. The looters were criminals or plants. It has been documented that far right groups infiltrated the BLM protest to create chaos. Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence
 
In Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled unilateral secession unconstitutional, while commenting that revolution or consent of the states could lead to a successful secession.
That's a supreme court ruling, not the Consitution. And what else would you call the civil war besides a revolution?

This seems to be the pertinent part of the decision"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

That sets some very interesting angles to what the civil war was. And it sets some very chicken and egg arguments up. And it comes from a post civil war mindset of the collective being it's own entity beyond the states that make it up. Under that belief each state could walk away, without "consent of the states" and the "United States" federal entity would still exist.

To me it argues as if the secession of the confederacy was irrelevant. There is this "perpetual entity" that is completely severed from the members. A kind of "you can take Texas out of the United States, but not the United States out of Texas"
 
That's a supreme court ruling, not the Consitution. And what else would you call the civil war besides a revolution?

This seems to be the pertinent part of the decision"When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

That sets some very interesting angles to what the civil war was. And it sets some very chicken and egg arguments up. And it comes from a post civil war mindset of the collective being it's own entity beyond the states that make it up. Under that belief each state could walk away, without "consent of the states" and the "United States" federal entity would still exist.

To me it argues as if the secession of the confederacy was irrelevant. There is this "perpetual entity" that is completely severed from the members. A kind of "you can take Texas out of the United States, but not the United States out of Texas"

An invasion of a sovereign country.
 
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So it is your contention that the looter was part of BLM. Those people that were out there looting were not BLM protestors. The looters were criminals or plants. It has been documented that far right groups infiltrated the BLM protest to create chaos. Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence
Oh boy, here we go again. "I don't like it because it paints my group in a bad light, so lets allege conspiracy theory!" come on man. You're seriously going to act like Antifa and BLM are innocent of all of the looting and violence? I'm sure there are idiots out there who voted for Trump "I'm not sure what far right means" that are doing stupid things. But you're acting like none of the violence that we have seen over the past several years going back to Obama have been carried out by BLM and antifa. Again, this is willful ignorance, and very sad.

Does this look like a guy from a far right group to you? St. Louis killing: Man charged in slaying of retired St. Louis police officer - CNN
 
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Oh on the work comment gramps. I’m on medical LOA for shoulder surgery so I got nothing better to do than continue to laugh at the dumbassery in social media. And because I’ve got a good education and a great job with great benefits I’ve got 100% salary continuance too woohoo thank God for capitalism 😂

So you been on LOA since you signed on? ;) skippy whipping tough on them rotator cuffs
 
I think you misunderstood my question or I was bad at asking it. I was saying if the results of the election were reversed (not overturned). As in if Trump were leading.
I wouldn’t think there was mass fraud. I’d be disappointed but move on and continue donating money to local elections like I’m doing now.

I wasn’t a Clinton supporter and I’ve voted republican in past presidential elections but didn’t vote for trump. When trump came in I gave him a chance despite how i felt about him personally. I thought maybe he’s a guy who won’t be beholden to special interest groups and won’t care about a political career. It quickly became obvious he was really dumb and in way over his head. Thatd be fine if he could recognize that and install a good team around him, but Instead he put his kids and other associates in positions they were completely unqualified for and his team became a revolving door leading to a team of yes men.

It was clear from the very beginning that trump doesn’t care about the average American and only looks out for himself. It’s happening as we speak with him thinking he’s bigger than the presidency and the election, and America in general.

Look at last year where all the polls had Clinton leading. The result was totally unexpected but nobody was claiming mass voter fraud. For all the posting people do in here about how Dems didn’t let it go, for the most part they moved on.

I can’t see myself every voting republican again. Republican officials have shown themselves to be completely spineless to stand up to trump, even now when he’s on his way out. Trumps baseless accusations and outright lies throughout his presidency legitimized groups of racists, conspiracy theorists, and other hate groups. As soon as trump is gone republicans will act like this never happened but I hope the people will remember.
 
So it is your contention that the looter was part of BLM. Those people that were out there looting were not BLM protestors. The looters were criminals or plants. It has been documented that far right groups infiltrated the BLM protest to create chaos. Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence
Oh, and here's another Deonte Murray: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know | Heavy.com

Deonte Murray, there's a far right activist, huh? No, he hates police, and after he shot those police, those docile protesters you're telling us about, showed up outside of the hospital and chanted "we hope you die." Those are surely plants, huh? Those docile, turn the other cheek, BLM and Antifa activists would never!
 
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"Oh boy, here we go again. I don't like it because it paints my group in a bad light, so lets allege conspiracy theory!" come on man. You're seriously going to act like Antifa and BLM are innocent of all of the looting and violence? I'm sure there are idiots out there who voted for Trump "I'm not sure what far right means" that are doing stupid things. But you're acting like none of the violence that we have seen over the past several years going back to Obama have been carried out by BLM and antifa. Again, this is willful ignorance, and very sad.

Essentially, protesting gives opportunity for those wanting to create mayhem cover to do just that, regardless of their skin or clothing color. Throw in the fact that Covid gives a reason to wear a mask, then you have the perfect scenario to do your worst while scapegoating others.

Neither Antifa or BLM has any official membership (that I am aware of), and anyone could claim to be with those groups.

The clash with the Feds in Oregon, I'd say a good part of those identified as Antifa, but it's also plausible that some doing the worst had their own agenda.
 
So you been on LOA since you signed on? ;) skippy whipping tough on them rotator cuffs
I am bored out of my damn mind. The Dr won’t let me use my damn hand as my arm is in a sling and won’t release me. Regardless I am revolting end of next week if he cuts me loose or not. That is when he estimated I was coming out of the sling.
 
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Essentially, protesting gives opportunity for those wanting to create mayhem cover to do just that, regardless of their skin or clothing color. Throw in the fact that Covid gives a reason to wear a mask, then you have the perfect scenario to do your worst while scapegoating others.

Neither Antifa or BLM has any official membership (that I am aware of), and anyone could claim to be with those groups.

The clash with the Feds in Oregon, I'd say a good part of those identified as Antifa, but it's also plausible that some doing the worst had their own agenda.
You don't say? Look, I'm sure that there are people who just want to loot. of course. But to act like Antifa and BLM are docile, turn the other cheek folks, when they are the groups out there fighting, burning buildings, shooting police officers, chanting "I hope you die" outside of hospital windows is willful ignorance that is beneath anyone with an average iq. I've never seen anything like this "They're on my side so they never do anything wrong" mentality. This kind of bias is unreal
 
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So it is your contention that the looter was part of BLM. Those people that were out there looting were not BLM protestors. The looters were criminals or plants. It has been documented that far right groups infiltrated the BLM protest to create chaos. Far-right 'boogaloo boys' linked to killing of California law officers and other violence
there are literally countless hours of video on twitter of people identifying as BLM and Antifa committing criminal acts. I'm supposed to believe those are all really klan members. LOL WtF
 
You don't say? Look, I'm sure that there are people who just want to loot. of course. But to act like Antifa and BLM are docile, turn the other cheek folks, when they are the groups out there fighting, burning buildings, shooting police officers, chanting "I hope you die" outside of hospital windows is willful ignorance that is beneath anyone with an average iq. I've never seen anything like this "They're on my side so they never do anything wrong" mentality. This kind of bias is unreal

I think you see Black peeps behaving badly and automatically associate them with BLM. Does this make sense to you?

As far as Antifa, they generally gather under their banner to counter protest Alt-Right type demonstrations. I'm sure a fair amount of people who identify as Antifa are also doing some of the mayhem, but that has not been their traditional gig.
 
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there are literally countless hours of video on twitter of people identifying as BLM and Antifa committing criminal acts. I'm supposed to believe those are all really klan members. LOL WtF

Ya, it's real hard to co-opt either of those. So that means if I say I'm a with Blue l:ves Matter and punch a peaceful protester, that means that's what Blue Lives Matter is all about, huh?
 
Ya, it's real hard to coop either of those. So that means if I say I'm a with Blue l:ves Matter and punch a peaceful protester, that means that's what Blue Lives Matter is all about, huh?
So to summarize your reply:

You’re into chicken coops

And “but whatabout...”
 
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Unsolicited vs solicited

Only 4 states sent “unsolicited” ballots as a response to the pandemic. California, Nevada, New Jersey, and Vermont. DC did as well.
Of those only Nevada was considered a swing state and it was Lean Dem already.

Five other states have been sending ballots for years. Including Utah which Trump won.
 
I think you see Black peeps behaving badly and automatically associate them with BLM. Does this make sense to you?

As far as Antifa, they generally gather under their banner to counter protest Alt-Right type demonstrations. I'm sure a fair amount of people who identify as Antifa are also doing some of the mayhem, but that has not been their traditional gig.
They are literally out there holding signs and marching, throwing things at police while shouting the names of criminals like George Floyd while they do it. Yeah, I'm sure that's just a conspiracy or something. If you think that antifa isn't usually into Mayhem, you aren't paying attention. Who is holding up streets in Oregon pulling senior citizens out of cars and beating them? You know, the people carrying the antifa flags? Who are they? I'm sad for you. Your bias is so bad that you are literally like the ostrich with its head in the sand. You can't see anything but what supports your position.
 
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