2020 Presidential Race

[LouderVol]

Except he did furnish the birth certificate - if anything that just led to a ramping up of the conspiracy claims (it's missing a seal so the one he produced is a fraud, etc.). It's clear nothing was going to satisfy them. There were also contemporaneous announcements of his birth in the newspaper.

You are correct that his dad was a non-US citizen, but his mother was a native-born citizen. Even if Obama was born in Kenya or Indonesia, he'd still be a citizen. Remember Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban citizen father and a native-born citizen mother.

And Cruz got lambasted for it. It's not inherently a racial thing.

 

[05_never_again]

And Cruz got lambasted for it. It's not inherently a racial thing.

Eh...I wouldn't say that. During the 2016 primaries some of his Republican challengers tried to make something of it, particularly Donald, but never in a serious way. He renounced his Canadian citizenship shortly thereafter and it went away after having not been a big deal to begin with. He never was asked for a birth certificate, internet sleuths didn't do their "research" about it, etc. It was never a big deal.

Birtherism was a thing that started in 2008 and continued with a lot of fervor throughout Obama's first term. If you have read my posts here you'll know I'm not one of these people who sees racism everywhere, but I think you're playing dumb if you don't see a racial angle to Birtherism. Or maybe a xenophobic angle to it is a better way to put it. The fact that his dad and stepfather were Muslims had a lot to do with it too. Obama's mother was a natural born US citizen, which makes him a citizen. That's what was always so funny about it to me - he could have been born in Kenya, Indonesia, or any other foreign country, and he still would have been a citizen because one of his parents was a citizen.

 

[luthervol]

Seek medical attention.

I'm more of a provider.

 

[1972 Grad]

Eh...I wouldn't say that. During the 2016 primaries some of his Republican challengers tried to make something of it, particularly Donald, but never in a serious way. He renounced his Canadian citizenship shortly thereafter and it went away after having not been a big deal to begin with. He never was asked for a birth certificate, internet sleuths didn't do their "research" about it, etc. It was never a big deal.

Birtherism was a thing that started in 2008 and continued with a lot of fervor throughout Obama's first term. If you have read my posts here you'll know I'm not one of these people who sees racism everywhere, but I think you're playing dumb if you don't see a racial angle to Birtherism. Or maybe a xenophobic angle to it is a better way to put it. The fact that his dad and stepfather were Muslims had a lot to do with it too. Obama's mother was a natural born U.S. citizen, which makes him a citizen. That's what was always so funny about it to me - he could have been born in Kenya, Indonesia, or any other foreign country, and he still would have been a citizen because one of his parents was a citizen.

Not so fast. When Obama was born in 1961, U.S. law stated that if a person was born abroad, then the U.S. citizen parent, Obama's mother in this instance, would have to have been "physically present in the U.S. for at least 10 years, 5 of which had to be after the age of 14" for citizenship to be transmitted to the child. That means that if Obama was born abroad, then he would not be conveyed citizenship because his mother, being 18 at the time, had only spent 4 years in the U.S. after the age of 14 , prior to his birth.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm more of a provider.

• Reactionary, merely treating symptoms -- check
• invite people in with offers to help, yet infecting them with staph instead -- check
• think you're worth more than you are -- check

 

[RockyTop85]

Wtf?
You drunk?

Dizzy, maybe.

I don’t understand why you’re spinning these people as just trolls, when they have rhetoric and slogans that are identical to some guy who blew away 50 people in New Zealand and another guy who just shot up a wal-Mart.

I’ve never heard it called trolling, once live ammunition was involved.

You think you’ve never met one? You know the Klan wears hoods, right? What degree of social function could possibly required to dissemble and make oneself blend in in today’s climate where 1/2 of America will call anybody a racist and 1/2 will defend them with whatever seems convenient.

 

[05_never_again]

Not so fast. When Obama was born in 1961, U.S. law stated that if a person was born abroad, then the U.S. citizen parent, Obama's mother in this instance, would have to have been "physically present in the U.S. for at least 10 years, 5 of which had to be after the age of 14" for citizenship to be transmitted to the child. That means that if Obama was born abroad, then he would not be conveyed citizenship because his mother, being 18 at the time, had only spent 4 years in the U.S. after the age of 14 , prior to his birth.

You have a citation where it says that was the law? "Natural born citizen" is actually not defined anywhere and has been subject to numerous interpretations over the years.

 

[LouderVol]

Eh...I wouldn't say that. During the 2016 primaries some of his Republican challengers tried to make something of it, particularly Donald, but never in a serious way. He renounced his Canadian citizenship shortly thereafter and it went away after having not been a big deal to begin with. He never was asked for a birth certificate, internet sleuths didn't do their "research" about it, etc. It was never a big deal.

Birtherism was a thing that started in 2008 and continued with a lot of fervor throughout Obama's first term. If you have read my posts here you'll know I'm not one of these people who sees racism everywhere, but I think you're playing dumb if you don't see a racial angle to Birtherism. Or maybe a xenophobic angle to it is a better way to put it. The fact that his dad and stepfather were Muslims had a lot to do with it too. Obama's mother was a natural born US citizen, which makes him a citizen. That's what was always so funny about it to me - he could have been born in Kenya, Indonesia, or any other foreign country, and he still would have been a citizen because one of his parents was a citizen.

I agree Obama had it worse, but it's not a solo thing. That was my point.

And I never took Birtherism seriously, just pointing out it's not inherently a racial thing.

 

[1972 Grad]

You have a citation where it says that was the law? "Natural born citizen" is actually not defined anywhere and has been subject to numerous interpretations over the years.

Edit: Link no worky.

 

[05_never_again]

I agree Obama had it worse, but it's not a solo thing. That was my point.

And I never took Birtherism seriously, just pointing out it's not inherently a racial thing.

With Obama it was though, no doubt about it. It went on for years and years and was forced to placate the birthers by releasing the birth certificate. There have been questions raised about others, like Cruz and John McCain, but it never reached the fervor that it did with Obama.

 

[05_never_again]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/obamas-mother-and-us-citizenship/2011/05/09/AFUqN02G_stc

Bad link.

 

[37L1]

With Obama it was though, no doubt about it. It went on for years and years and was forced to placate the birthers by releasing the birth certificate. There have been questions raised about others, like Cruz and John McCain, but it never reached the fervor that it did with Obama.

They were never President. President Obama could have nipped it in the bud if he was so inclined.

 

[37L1]

I'm more of a provider.

*carrier

 

[05_never_again]

They were never President. President Obama could have nipped it in the bud if he was so inclined.

That's what Obama tried to do in 2008, yet it only fanned the flames (they said the birth certificate he furnished was forged because it doesn't have a seal, color "looks funny," etc.). When he furnished the requested info, it didn't stop it one bit. No matter what he produced, they were going to continue with the theory.

Obama and Cruz/McCain weren't the same specific stories either. There is no question that Cruz and McCain were born outside the United States - the question with them was what is your interpretation of "natural born citizen." Is someone born to a US citizen(s) outside the United States a citizen? Obama meanwhile was born in the United States to a US citizen. Depending on your interpretation of the law, McCain and Cruz's (especially Cruz's) set of facts are actually more complicated than Obama's.

 

[Hoosier_Vol]

2020 Dems unleash profane attacks on Trump, Republicans over mass shootings

 

[37L1]

2020 Dems unleash profane attacks on Trump, Republicans over mass shootings

Rhetoric causes violent acts. We must tone down the rhetoric.

Now, who said that?

We need First Amendment Regulation.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

It’s pretty amazing that in less than 10 years Obama has gone from savior of the progressives to a centrist punching bag at the Democratic debates. The rhetoric curve is getting unbelievably steep.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Not so fast. When Obama was born in 1961, U.S. law stated that if a person was born abroad, then the U.S. citizen parent, Obama's mother in this instance, would have to have been "physically present in the U.S. for at least 10 years, 5 of which had to be after the age of 14" for citizenship to be transmitted to the child. That means that if Obama was born abroad, then he would not be conveyed citizenship because his mother, being 18 at the time, had only spent 4 years in the U.S. after the age of 14 , prior to his birth.

Not sure you got that right. I believe there is a SCOTUS case, addressing that situation stating that if the mother had not left the country for a period of more than 6 months it would be treated as if she never left meaning the short absence during which Obama was born in Kenya would be as if she never left. Not a 100% on this, but this is my recollection.

 

[Weezer]

That's what Obama tried to do in 2008, yet it only fanned the flames (they said the birth certificate he furnished was forged because it doesn't have a seal, color "looks funny," etc.). When he furnished the requested info, it didn't stop it one bit. No matter what he produced, they were going to continue with the theory.

Obama and Cruz/McCain weren't the same specific stories either. There is no question that Cruz and McCain were born outside the United States - the question with them was what is your interpretation of "natural born citizen." Is someone born to a US citizen(s) outside the United States a citizen? Obama meanwhile was born in the United States to a US citizen. Depending on your interpretation of the law, McCain and Cruz's (especially Cruz's) set of facts are actually more complicated than Obama's.

McCain was born on a Naval Air Station, which qualifies as U.S. soil. Established military bases and embassies, even though abroad, are considered sovereign soil.

 

[LouderVol]

McCain was born on a Naval Air Station, which qualifies as U.S. soil. Established military bases and embassies, even though abroad, are considered sovereign soil.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

I'm more of a provider.

Of???

 

[NurseGoodVol]

You have a citation where it says that was the law? "Natural born citizen" is actually not defined anywhere and has been subject to numerous interpretations over the years.

So if he was born in Kenya with one citizen parent supposedly why the fake birth certificate from Hawaii?

 

[BigOrangeD]

Not so fast. When Obama was born in 1961, U.S. law stated that if a person was born abroad, then the U.S. citizen parent, Obama's mother in this instance, would have to have been "physically present in the U.S. for at least 10 years, 5 of which had to be after the age of 14" for citizenship to be transmitted to the child. That means that if Obama was born abroad, then he would not be conveyed citizenship because his mother, being 18 at the time, had only spent 4 years in the U.S. after the age of 14 , prior to his birth.

Dims don't care about the law.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

2020 Dems unleash Profane Attacks on Trump, Republicans over mass shootings
President Trump’s remarks Monday condemning the horrific mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton did little to quell the anger from 2020 Democratic hopefuls who are blaming his rhetoric as well as inaction on gun control in part for the violence, as they level uncensored attacks on the president and Republicans in Congress.


In the wake of the back-to-back mass shootings that left at least 31 dead, the Democratic presidential candidates have dropped the usual decorum surrounding even tense policy debates like gun control, using coarse language to demonstrate their exasperation over the GOP response to gun violence and their calls for new gun control measures.

“Listening to the president,” New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker said Monday after Trump’s speech, in comments shared on Twitter by his campaign manager. “Such a bulls—t soup of ineffective words.”

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Another candidate, Rep. Tim Ryan of Ohio, on Monday tweeted “**** me” after Trump mistakenly, at one point in his speech, said the Ohio shooting took place in Toledo. (It happened in Dayton.)

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For Ryan, the language appears to be part of a deliberate approach: Earlier Monday, the longshot candidate went on CNN and tore into Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, saying, "Mitch McConnell needs to get off his a-- and do something.” On Sunday, he also tweeted, “Republicans need to get their s--- together and stop pandering to the NRA. Period.”​

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Other Democrats trying to weigh in amid a storm of political reaction, like former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke, are taking a similar approach. O’Rourke, who represented El Paso, the site of the shooting in Texas on Saturday, expressed his unvarnished anger when asked if he thinks Trump can make the situation better.​

“What do you think?” O’Rourke reportedly shot back at the press. “You know the s--- he’s been saying. He’s been calling Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. I don’t know, like, members of the press, what the f---?”​

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Democratic leaders in Congress have called on Trump to support new gun restrictions and for McConnell to allow a vote in the GOP-controlled Senate on Democrat-supported gun control language that has passed in the Ho2020 Dems unleash profane attacks on Trump, Republicans over mass shootingsuse.​

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More gun laws won't fix this.

 

[McDad]

So if he was born in Kenya with one citizen parent supposedly why the fake birth certificate from Hawaii?

I think the BC shows something he would rather hide. Possibly shows is ethnicity as white or something equally as silly.