2021-2022 Season: Who Stays/Who Goes?

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#52
If anyone wants to make a $100 wager that barring a major injury or him being arrested Keon Johnson isn’t a top 15 pick I’ll gladly take you up on it.
 
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zjcvols said:
Well I guess me and every single NBA draft analyst is an idiot and you’re a super genius because every nba mock draft has him top 15. He’s exactly what every NBA team wants.

You watch any NBA?
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I did. I watched a lot until last year. I know how long “defensive specialists” who can’t shoot last in that league. Even Bruce Bowen with the Spurs developed a 3 pt shot and he played with 3 HOFers.

Your reading what a mag or website puts out. Wait to see where he’s really drafted.
 
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zjcvols said:
Well I guess me and every single NBA draft analyst is an idiot and you’re a super genius because every nba mock draft has him top 15. He’s exactly what every NBA team wants.

You watch any NBA?
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I’ve seen some guys drafted that had no business being drafted.
 
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The Dog said:
What am I wrong about, l'm talking about Springer ?
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Suggesting he should stay in college for three years with an offensive system that doesn’t fit him at all is absolutely not a good idea.
 
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wmcovol said:
I did. I watched a lot until last year. I know how long “defensive specialists” who can’t shoot last in that league. Even Bruce Bowen with the Spurs developed a 3 pt shot and he played with 3 HOFers.

Your reading what a mag or website puts out. Wait to see where he’s really drafted.
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You mean every single one? You think all of them are being fed lies that Keon won’t be a top 15 pick? Yeah sure.

You wanna take the wager I’d be glad.
 
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zjcvols said:
Well I guess me and every single NBA draft analyst is an idiot and you’re a super genius because every nba mock draft has him top 15. He’s exactly what every NBA team wants.

You watch any NBA?
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zjcvols said:
Every legitimate NBA mock draft has him as a lottery pick. Every single one.

He didn’t play his senior year. He’s an elite level athlete and elite level defender already. He played post in high school so he’s still developing. He plays in a ****** old school offense. Once he gets in a modern offense with good spacing and NBA coaching he will be an NBA starter.
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I'll admit, I dont watch the NBA much, but from what I watch ut is all about 3 point shooting. Keon simply does not shoot well enough at this point in time to be successful. I think he is a hardworking and I would bet on him to be successful in the long run, but I think he could really benefit from another year to expand his game.

He may be rated highly now, but once the tape goes on and he is under the microscope, I think he will fall. Too many bad shots. Too many turnovers.. I dont think he will get to the rim as much in the nba as well.
 
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The Dog said:
Barnes can develop PGs, even u can agree on that, maybe
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Name the last PG he’s developed that was an NBA first rounder.

Springer is a ball screen handler dynamo and we don’t run any for him. Once he gets to the NBA with better coaching he will show his ability.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
I'll admit, I dont watch the NBA much, but from what I watch ut is all about 3 point shooting. Keon simply does not shoot well enough at this point in time to be successful. I think he is a hardworking and I would bet on him to be successful in the long run, but I think he could really benefit from another year to expand his game.

He may be rated highly now, but once the tape goes on and he is under the microscope, I think he will fall. Too many bad shots. Too many turnovers.. I dont think he will get to the rim as much in the nba as well.
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Why? Why would he come back to school when you admit he needs to improve his jump shot when he can get better coaching, more time and get paid/hire personal coaches to help him with his jump shot? Especially when he’s a projected 1st round pick?
 
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zjcvols said:
You mean every single one? You think all of them are being fed lies that Keon won’t be a top 15 pick? Yeah sure.

You wanna take the wager I’d be glad.
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Keon has 1pt and 5 turnovers tonite. You’re making a fool of yourself. Take the rest of the night off.
 
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wmcovol said:
Keon has 1pt and 5 turnovers tonite. You’re making a fool of yourself. Take the rest of the night off.
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I’m glad the NBA organization that you run judges players off one game, do you run the Timberwolves or Kings?
 
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zjcvols said:
Why? Why would he come back to school when you admit he needs to improve his jump shot when he can get better coaching, more time and get paid/hire personal coaches to help him with his jump shot? Especially when he’s a projected 1st round pick?
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Once you are in the NBA, the pressure to perform is on. You can fall out of grace really quickly and be packaged up and traded around the league for scraps. Once you are traded, no one cares about where you were drafted or your potential. You mess up your initial opportunity and you may not get another real one. Yeah you may get some minutes, but if you arent a star you know your role is to let the all stars get the shots.

Its either perform or don't. I dont think the league cares about development as much as it does finding immediate talent.

Keon needs to clean up his shot so when he gets in the league he is ready immediately. Plus, I do thinknit will greatly affect his draft stock.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Once you are in the NBA, the pressure to perform is on. You can fall out of grace really quickly and be packaged up and traded around the league for scraps. Once you are traded, no one cares about where you were drafted or your potential. You mess up your initial opportunity and you may not get another real one. Yeah you may get some minutes, but if you arent a star you know your role is to let the all stars get the shots.

Its either perform or don't. I dont think the league cares about development as much as it does finding immediate talent.

Keon needs to clean up his shot so when he gets in the league he is ready immediately. Plus, I do thinknit will greatly affect his draft stock.
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Christian Wood messed up his first like ten opportunities and now he was almost an All-Star
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Once you are in the NBA, the pressure to perform is on. You can fall out of grace really quickly and be packaged up and traded around the league for scraps. Once you are traded, no one cares about where you were drafted or your potential. You mess up your initial opportunity and you may not get another real one. Yeah you may get some minutes, but if you arent a star you know your role is to let the all stars get the shots.

Its either perform or don't. I dont think the league cares about development as much as it does finding immediate talent.

Keon needs to clean up his shot so when he gets in the league he is ready immediately. Plus, I do thinknit will greatly affect his draft stock.
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Again the best place for Keon to clean up his shot is to do that with nba coaches where he doesn’t have to go to school. I was told the same thing about Pons and his **** last year...and guess what?that didn’t help. He will get better resources in the nba and be paid millions. He shouldn’t come back at all.
 
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zjcvols said:
Again the best place for Keon to clean up his shot is to do that with nba coaches where he doesn’t have to go to school. I was told the same thing about Pons and his **** last year...and guess what?that didn’t help. He will get better resources in the nba and be paid millions. He shouldn’t come back at all.
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Do you think Jordan Bone should have stayed another year?

Sure you can point to Pons, but he did improve while at college. I think he is simply just having a hard time asserting himself offensively on this team where he isnt a top scoring option. He is a different position and if anything just lacks inches of height.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Do you think Jordan Bone should have stayed another year?

Sure you can point to Pons, but he did improve while at college. I think he is simply just having a hard time asserting himself offensively on this team where he isnt a top scoring option. He is a different position and if anything just lacks inches of height.
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No, he was a second rounder no matter what.

Sure but he hasn’t improved his offensive game from junior to senior year. Why? Because he wasn’t going to get the necessary coaching or opportunity to improve the weak points in his game. Barnes had to win games, he doesn’t want Pons jacking 5-6 3’s a game to improve his draft stock.
 
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zjcvols said:
I’m glad the NBA organization that you run judges players off one game, do you run the Timberwolves or Kings?
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He’s struggled on this issues I’ve stated practically all season. He has an awesome game @ Ky but he’s not been a consistent ball handler or outside shooter at any point. Those are facts. NBA scouts also drafted Sam Bowie who was injury prone over Jordan. They’re not geniuses either.
 
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wmcovol said:
He’s struggled on this issues I’ve stated practically all season. He has an awesome game @ Ky but he’s not been a consistent ball handler or outside shooter at any point. Those are facts. NBA scouts also drafted Sam Bowie who was injury prone over Jordan. They’re not geniuses either.
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He’s actually been a pretty solid ball handler this year and he can create. When he gets to be in a modern offense with better spacing he will look much better

Hey man my wager is still out there if you’re that confident Johnson isn’t a top 15 pick.
 
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