2021-2022 Season: Who Stays/Who Goes?

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#76
zjcvols said:
No, he was a second rounder no matter what.

Sure but he hasn’t improved his offensive game from junior to senior year. Why? Because he wasn’t going to get the necessary coaching or opportunity to improve the weak points in his game. Barnes had to win games, he doesn’t want Pons jacking 5-6 3’s a game to improve his draft stock.
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Ok, I'll give you Pons, because I think he needs to start focusing on trying to carve a role in the NBA.

Keon is in year 1, though. There are too many guys who have improved under Barnes from Year 1 to Year 2 to disregard it. But again I see Keon differently than you. I think his stock will likely drop and he will go later in the 1st round at best. Another year, more minutes abd even a bigger role I think he could elevate himself into the lottery.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Ok, I'll give you Pons, because I think he needs to start focusing on trying to carve a role in the NBA.

Keon is in year 1, though. There are too many guys who have improved under Barnes from Year 1 to Year 2 to disregard it. But again I see Keon differently than you. I think his stock will likely drop and he will go later in the 1st round at best. Another year, more minutes abd even a bigger role I think he could elevate himself into the lottery.
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Again, it’s not whether he will improve or not. He will. But he can be paid millions, not worry about school and get better coaching in the NBA. It’s the fact that he shouldn’t be giving up a top 15 spot which he is almost guaranteed. Every single media outlet has him as a top 15 NBA pick.
 
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zjcvols said:
He’s actually been a pretty solid ball handler this year and he can create. When he gets to be in a modern offense with better spacing he will look much better

Hey man my wager is still out there if you’re that confident Johnson isn’t a top 15 pick.
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I never said there’s not a team that would take him. I said if he doesn’t improve his ballhandling & shot, he won’t be in the league long.
 
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Has there ever been a Top 10 or even Top 15 pick average less than 10ppg in college? Not saying Johnson won’t get picked that high, clearly projections say he will, just genuinely curious on that?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Has there ever been a Top 10 or even Top 15 pick average less than 10ppg in college? Not saying Johnson won’t get picked that high, clearly projections say he will, just genuinely curious on that?
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What about Williams from FSU this past year, I know he didn't start
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Has there ever been a Top 10 or even Top 15 pick average less than 10ppg in college? Not saying Johnson won’t get picked that high, clearly projections say he will, just genuinely curious on that?
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I was thinking a similar thought earlier, when I was wondering about what stats have been like for one-and-done’s the past 10 years or so.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Has there ever been a Top 10 or even Top 15 pick average less than 10ppg in college? Not saying Johnson won’t get picked that high, clearly projections say he will, just genuinely curious on that?
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Patrick Williams was the #4 pick just last year, averaged 9.2
 
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The Dog said:
What about Williams from FSU this past year, I know he didn't start
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yup good call lol, shows how much I pay attention to NBA which is why I asked lol. I will say though, on the surface it would see Williams showed more potential...

Williams-50%fg 32%3pt 84%ft 1.7topg
Johnson-47%fg 20%3pt 70%ft 2.4topg
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
And if he's a lottery pick, he'd be out with about a cool $10M or so. Think he'd do alright with that.
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For a little while. Maybe.... maybe not. Looks like the NBA does better than the NFL though. Athletes are not the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to long term financial success. Better get that degree.
 
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DocVol said:
Silver lining to this historic slide—maybe we don’t see Springer and Keon leave as one-and-dones?

Or are they out either way?

What’s next years roster realistically look like now (if anything has changed)?
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Historic slide? Absolutely one of the craziest things I’ve read. Other than Gonzaga, Baylor, and Michigan, just take a look at the records and inconsistencies of most of the top 50 teams in college basketball.
 
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reecetn said:
For a little while. Maybe.... maybe not. Looks like the NBA does better than the NFL though. Athletes are not the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to long term financial success. Better get that degree.
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Yeah if he makes $10M in the NBA in four years I’m pretty sure he can afford to go back to school 🙄🙄🙄
 
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reecetn said:
For a little while. Maybe.... maybe not. Looks like the NBA does better than the NFL though. Athletes are not the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to long term financial success. Better get that degree.
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Keon and Jaden are plenty sharp though. They’re hard workers and I would think that they wouldn’t be that good in one aspect of their lives and then go full r***** with their personal finances.
 
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reecetn said:
For a little while. Maybe.... maybe not. Looks like the NBA does better than the NFL though. Athletes are not the sharpest tools in the shed when it comes to long term financial success. Better get that degree.
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I get what you're saying...but as the last two generations have proven, that degree does NOT equate financial literacy. In fact, I'd say quite a few would argue they're worse off with it in today's climate.
 
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Stoerner Fumbles said:
Keon is a top ten pick, and there isn’t much he can do wrong to change that outside of committing a felony. His floor is established, and everything else is upside. You just can’t tell a lottery pick to come back and work on his game.
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His floor has a few cracks in it which need to be filled in. He will a a 1 or 2 in the NBA and, as of now, doesn't have the handle to play ether of those positions in the pros. I think an additional year would be of great benefit for his future. Springer needs to get his offensive game in shape. The NBA does play some defense, and he will be up against 6'6 and 6'7 players in the pros. Johnson is an inch or so taller and a lot of hops. It will be interesting to see what these two do this Spring. We could lose both or we could keep both. One thing to remember, is if they are not drafted in the first two rounds, they have the ability to come back or go to Europe for a year or so. I think both are likely to test the water and then make their decisions.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
His floor has a few cracks in it which need to be filled in. He will a a 1 or 2 in the NBA and, as of now, doesn't have the handle to play ether of those positions in the pros. I think an additional year would be of great benefit for his future. Springer needs to get his offensive game in shape. The NBA does play some defense, and he will be up against 6'6 and 6'7 players in the pros. Johnson is an inch or so taller and a lot of hops. It will be interesting to see what these two do this Spring. We could lose both or we could keep both. One thing to remember, is if they are not drafted in the first two rounds, they have the ability to come back or go to Europe for a year or so. I think both are likely to test the water and then make their decisions.
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The NBA sees him as a lottery pick. The draft is heavy on emphasizing potential over current development. They’d rather pay now and develop him with their people than wait til he has better skills. If he comes back it’ll be a bad error in judgment. That said, nothing is impossible.
 
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zjcvols said:
Yeah if he makes $10M in the NBA in four years I’m pretty sure he can afford to go back to school 🙄🙄🙄
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I'm pretty sure the odds are against him. Did you even follow the link? It explains it in detail.
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
I get what you're saying...but as the last two generations have proven, that degree does NOT equate financial literacy. In fact, I'd say quite a few would argue they're worse off with it in today's climate.
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Outside of the NFL with a 78 percent bankruptcy rate within 5 years of retirement, I cant think of many other professions that has a 60 percent bankruptcy rate within 5 years of retirement.
 
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reecetn said:
Outside of the NFL with a 78 percent bankruptcy rate within 5 years of retirement, I cant think of many other professions that has a 60 percent bankruptcy rate within 5 years of retirement.
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Why would the NFL be significantly different from other professional sports?
 
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