2022 Recruits

[Lucy]

I'll let you...Madi is just beginning to climb the ladder. Madi KNOWS she is not on the top rung and has work to go

Hey CJ, does Madi project as a shooting guard? What sort of height for SG in P5?
Seems like a super kid. Hope it all works out for her.

 

[CP3_LVFL]

I'll let you...Madi is just beginning to climb the ladder. Madi KNOWS she is not on the top rung and has work to go

Ace is a 22 madi is a 24 plenty room for both lol imagine having them with Justine. Tess will be leaving when madi comes in.

 

[CP3_LVFL]

Hey CJ, does Madi project as a shooting guard? What sort of height for SG in P5?
Seems like a super kid. Hope it all works out for her.

I just saw where madi mom posted that Madi just eclipsed her 200th career 3 pointer, and recently hit her 1000th point as a sophomore. Now i know she has played since 7th grade but think about it this way, she has done all these things on a HS varsity level as a middle schooler/jv age kid. I dont care what anyone says that is impressive to me.
Scouts have her listed at 5'10 good size SG to me

 

[Lucy]

I just saw where madi mom posted that Madi just eclipsed her 200th career 3 pointer, and recently hit her 1000th point as a sophomore. Now i know she has played since 7th grade but think about it this way, she has done all these things on a HS varsity level as a middle schooler/jv age kid. I dont care what anyone says that is impressive to me.
Scouts have her listed at 5'10 good size SG to me

Hope my post didn’t sound dismissive. It wasn’t meant as such. Our current SG is 6’2 so I wondered if that would be typical.

 

[Bballnut1952]

Hope my post didn’t sound dismissive. It wasn’t meant as such. Our current SG is 6’2 so I wondered if that would be typical.

6'2" shooting guard is very atypical.

5"10" is just fine.

 

[Coach Jumper]

6'2" shooting guard is very atypical.

5"10" is just fine.

What you're looking for in a long range shooter is not size, it is quickness from ( dribble pickup or pass reception - to - shot release )...Size rarely factors in for a gunner. The shooter should be able to go from dribble pickup/pass reception to shot release in .8 or less seconds. And even this is dependent on the shooter's release point,,,higher release = can take a little longer,,,belly or shoulder shot has to leave the hand much quicker

 

[Volfan2012]

I feel quite confident that were not going to offer ACE as that would've happened by now. Looks like with 11 returning roster players were saving those scholarships to see what the portal has to offer. Looks like were quite comfortable with returning shooters Puckett, Darby and Justine coming in to join them next season. I think were looking at a point guard who could also be a shooter. We must have a post player really need to be elite and have two seasons or eligibility remaining. After the miss on Oldacre I think this will be a portal priority. Think we would take a third player if there was someone in there similar to Dye who can get to the rim and also has mid-range shooting ability. That role could also go to Wynn expect to see a lot of improvement from her next season and hopefully that mask will be gone.

 

[VolBall09]

I feel quite confident that were not going to offer ACE as that would've happened by now. Looks like with 11 returning roster players were saving those scholarships to see what the portal has to offer. Looks like were quite comfortable with returning shooters Puckett, Darby and Justine coming in to join them next season. I think were looking at a point guard who could also be a shooter. We must have a post player really need to be elite and have two seasons or eligibility remaining. After the miss on Oldacre I think this will be a portal priority. Think we would take a third player if there was someone in there similar to Dye who can get to the rim and also has mid-range shooting ability. That role could also go to Wynn expect to see a lot of improvement from her next season and hopefully that mask will be gone.

Agree that we are likely not offering. Has there been any word on why she reopened her recruitment?

I do suspect she’ll go to a smaller school or at the very least a school that plays smaller ball like Pitt. In her film it looks to me like she gets 90% of her scoring around the basket. Anyone have some actual stats?

She’ll shoot an open 3 if it’s given to her but I wouldn’t say that is her natural predilection and she does not create her own shot. Definitely more of a slasher/floater players with that little baby hook she does. You see a lot of players like her in the Big East and Ivy Leagues.

 

[Volfan2012]

Agree that we are likely not offering. Has there been any word on why she reopened her recruitment?

I do suspect she’ll go to a smaller school or at the very least a school that plays smaller ball like Pitt. In her film it looks to me like she gets 90% of her scoring around the basket. Anyone have some actual stats?

She’ll shoot an open 3 if it’s given to her but I wouldn’t say that is her natural predilection and she does not create her own shot. Definitely more of a slasher/floater players with that little baby hook she does. You see a lot of players like her in the Big East and Ivy Leagues.

34 percent three point shooter through her junior season. Had made seven three pointers in a game twice I think. Sometimes percentages don't pan out in college. Tess was a 39 percent shooter in high school over four seasons. We'll have to see if she can match that here at Tennessee think she is at 33 percent to this point over last season and this one.

 

[dapeak]

Agree that we are likely not offering. Has there been any word on why she reopened her recruitment?

I do suspect she’ll go to a smaller school or at the very least a school that plays smaller ball like Pitt. In her film it looks to me like she gets 90% of her scoring around the basket. Anyone have some actual stats?

She’ll shoot an open 3 if it’s given to her but I wouldn’t say that is her natural predilection and she does not create her own shot. Definitely more of a slasher/floater players with that little baby hook she does. You see a lot of players like her in the Big East and Ivy Leagues.

Not just her, saw a message on Twitter from another WV recruit about fifth year seniors returning making it so they don’t have the ability to play for the school

 

[VolBall09]

Not just her, saw a message on Twitter from another WV recruit about fifth year seniors returning making it so they don’t have the ability to play for the school

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Interesting, food for thought for other coaches.

For the young ladies as well. WV is a pretty good program in a good conference. Mike Carey plays a deep bench usually so I think they’re being a bit hasty. Have a hard time believing either this young woman or Ace will end up at a more competitive school.

 

[dapeak]

Interesting, food for thought for other coaches.

For the young ladies as well. WV is a pretty good program in a good conference. Mike Carey plays a deep bench usually so I think they’re being a bit hasty. Have a hard time believing either this young woman or Ace will end up at a more competitive school.

Right… felt sorry for them but some other coaches will get a player for sure

 

[Volfan2012]

Not just her, saw a message on Twitter from another WV recruit about fifth year seniors returning making it so they don’t have the ability to play for the school

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Yes this certainly shows the scholarships were pulled. I am sure both players will find a home.

 

[creekdipper]

Ace still could be added as extra depth but likely the coaches are looking for posts and ball handlers than shooters given our roster. Kellie likes to use her players rather than burying them on the bench. Unless someone with exceptional talent (i.e. Briggs) pops up, look for the staff to be filling needs rather than handing out scholarships. We have too much interest already from game-changers, and the current buzz around the program will just increase that interest.

Regardless of where Ace lands, we wish her well as we do with all our local girls. She's a fine player who will help some program, and by all reports, she's a fine young woman who will represent both her university and her hometown well. Looking forward to seeing her play.

 

[creekdipper]

Yes this certainly shows the scholarships were pulled. I am sure both players will find a home.

While coaches want a numerically manageable roster, it would seem that the NCAA would make some provision for extra scholarships to accommodate the unique COVID extra-year situation. Didn't this happen already?

 

[Majors]

Yes this certainly shows the scholarships were pulled. I am sure both players will find a home.

Ace's was not pulled, I cannot speak for Marley as I don't believe she was signed. The hardest part for the class of 2022 is navigating through Covid players on current teams, for both coaches and incoming players. WVU had a change of heart about either allowing or the amount of players returning in recent weeks.

 

[Volfan2012]

Ace's was not pulled, I cannot speak for Marley as I don't believe she was signed. The hardest part for the class of 2022 is navigating through Covid players on current teams, for both coaches and incoming players. WVU had a change of heart about either allowing or the amount of players returning in recent weeks.

Good luck to her wherever she ends up looks like it want be Tennessee they've had plenty of time to make it happen. I don't think they are going to offer. I like her as a player evidently with Pissott coming in and Rennie, Darby, and Puckett on the roster were looking for help in other areas.

 

[VolBall09]

Incoming players are going to realize quickly they’re going to run into similar issues no matter where they go. Especially at the level these ladies are looking. LOTS of players will be using their COVID year while at schools in the upper echelon of WBB they will mostly be moving on.

A lot of that is coaching decisions. Those middle of the pack programs see an opportunity to retain experience and have a couple good seasons. The top schools know they have to keep bringing in new talent or they’ll be in trouble in a season or two.

I imagine you’ll be hard pressed to find a team below the top 25 that doesn’t have at least a couple players planning to use that extra year. They’re not gonna go pro, they get an extra year of education paid for and can work on their game and enjoy a bonus year of participation they weren’t expecting. Why not?

 

[Majors]

Incoming players are going to realize quickly they’re going to run into similar issues no matter where they go. Especially at the level these ladies are looking. LOTS of players will be using their COVID year while at schools in the upper echelon of WBB they will mostly be moving on.

A lot of that is coaching decisions. Those middle of the pack programs see an opportunity to retain experience and have a couple good seasons. The top schools know they have to keep bringing in new talent or they’ll be in trouble in a season or two.

I imagine you’ll be hard pressed to find a team below the top 25 that doesn’t have at least a couple players planning to use that extra year. They’re not gonna go pro, they get an extra year of education paid for and can work on their game and enjoy a bonus year of participation they weren’t expecting. Why not?

Not necessarily, many kids right now are making their college of choice for the rest of their future/life on what a coach tells them about players returning or not returning. Part of the conversations in being transparent up front on both sides are how many will you carry, how many will you carry in my position you are recruiting me for. While many schools are bringing players back to play for now they are also having conversations about numbers in players not coming back for reassurance to recruits for the future. I speak first hand having watched my kid do it on her journey in a different sport. I'm not disagreeing with your stance either, but saying these are they types of conversations that happen before kids in the 2022 class sign.

 

[GameTime]

 

[VolBall09]

Don’t worry I’m not going to respond lol. I try to keep the recruiting threads positive. I’m just a realist.

The grass is not always greener and some people need a dose of reality.

 

[glv98]

Not necessarily, many kids right now are making their college of choice for the rest of their future/life on what a coach tells them about players returning or not returning. Part of the conversations in being transparent up front on both sides are how many will you carry, how many will you carry in my position you are recruiting me for. While many schools are bringing players back to play for now they are also having conversations about numbers in players not coming back for reassurance to recruits for the future. I speak first hand having watched my kid do it on her journey in a different sport. I'm not disagreeing with your stance either, but saying these are they types of conversations that happen before kids in the 2022 class sign.

The problem with those conversations is I don't think coaches have any idea right now who's going and who's staying. I'm sure many of the players themselves haven't made that decision. Then there's the unknown of the post season portal. It is unfortunate for recruits trying to decide where they'll fit best but its the lay of the land right now. Zero guarantees.

 

[VolBall09]

The problem with those conversations is I don't think coaches have any idea right now who's going and who's staying. I'm sure many of the players themselves haven't made that decision. Then there's the unknown of the post season portal. It is unfortunate for recruits trying to decide where they'll fit best but its the lay of the land right now. Zero guarantees.

Exactly. And that’s why jumping ship may not be the best idea. We are seeing kids re-commit only to get recruited over again. This is a different landscape. Patience and loyalty are more likely to pay off IMO.

 

[Majors]

Exactly. And that’s why jumping ship may not be the best idea. We are seeing kids re-commit only to get recruited over again. This is a different landscape. Patience and loyalty are more likely to pay off IMO.

Patience and loyalty is strained when you tell a kid/player X,Y,Z won't be back. And then X,Y,Z returns. Coaches have a good idea about their rosters in advance, I speak only for my kid as each coach she spoke with had a plan in place of players coming, going and staying. Kids going to D1 programs that are successful expect to be recruited over either every year or every two years.

 

[VolBall09]

Patience and loyalty is strained when you tell a kid/player X,Y,Z won't be back. And then X,Y,Z returns. Coaches have a good idea about their rosters in advance, I speak only for my kid as each coach she spoke with had a plan in place of players coming, going and staying. Kids going to D1 programs that are successful expect to be recruited over either every year or every two years.

Again you’re just playing to my point. This is going to happen all over. You can take some coach’s word for it and then watch yourself be recruited over.

Or, you can assess your options, decide to invest in yourself and make a good decision at the program you committed to.

At this point I would say the best guess is that West Virginia asked Ace to red shirt a season. She doesn’t want to do that so she’s reopened her recruitment.

She’s done so in the middle of the busiest part of the season when coaches are not interested in recruiting. Especially for 2022. Most quality teams have their 2022 class set or have similar issues trying to decide where to put people with returning Covid seniors.

Even teams like us that have roster spots available are very unlikely to fill those with a 2022 recruit. Why bring in a player that will have to sit the bench for two seasons when we can recruit an immediate contributor from the portal? We have shooters for the next 3 seasons. We need someone who can handle the ball and someone who can spell Tamari in the post and give us quality minutes on both ends in the paint. That’s not Ace.

Would venture to say it wouldn’t just be unlikely that we sign her, it would also be unfair to her. Signing her in the same class as Pissott would pretty much guarantee Ace’s career would be spent watching and not playing. They have similar game but Justine has 4 more inches and a ton more talent at all three scoring levels.

Not to mention that Tess will be here another 3 seasons. The shooting guard position is pretty deep for the Lady Vols and not what we need right now. If we do recruit anyone for that position it will be a Burrell level player from the portal that can get us looks both from 3 and off the bounce.