2022 Target List

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Also “losing a recruit” would be different from losing a “commitment”.

It’s not a far fetched basilioism that CRB was not happy with Danny Boy White.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I heard (or recall) lost a couple this past summer. I assumed 2022 but it could be 2023 or beyond. I think that it was around 1:40 on Wednesday (not certain though… might have been earlier in the 3rd hour). It’s recorded and can be replayed at tonybasilio dot com .

I think I had heard a few weeks earlier that the athletic department changed course and developed a plan to support N-I-L. They were slow to initiate a support program and a couple of basketball recruits dropped TN. Doesn’t mean tgat they later came back into play.

The only deals that I’m familiar with are Fulk/Pals and a football player doing a radio spot for Crown (?) Cleaners.
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There are a lot more NIL deals, for example:

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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Also “losing a recruit” would be different from losing a “commitment”.

It’s not a far fetched basilioism that CRB was not happy with Danny Boy White.
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The target list has largely stayed the same as far as priorities go…Tennessee isn’t going to use NIL in a similar way as some schools are (Memphis)…I don’t think that’s really on White and I don’t think Barnes really cares.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The questionable part to this would be “who are the couple recruits we lost during the summer”? Not sure I can really think of any that were priority targets, which makes that a little questionable.
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It may be why we cooled with people like Yohan Traore
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
What is a requirement? You said only guy with a deal is fulk, I was saying that’s not true.
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What you just wrote is NOT TRUE. I said that I’m only aware of the Fulk and dry cleaner deals. I didn’t say those are the only ones.

And a “requirement” is that a top 5 or 10 recruit must have a lucrative N-I-L opportunity to commit to any school.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
What you just wrote is NOT TRUE. I said that I’m only aware of the Fulk and dry cleaner deals. I didn’t say those are the only ones.

And a “requirement” is that a top 5 or 10 recruit must have a lucrative N-I-L opportunity to commit to any school.
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Well now you’re aware of 50+

Chandlers definitely doesn’t compare to what the 2 dudes at Memphis got, not sure what others in the Top 10 have gotten.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well now you’re aware of 50+

Chandlers definitely doesn’t compare to what the 2 dudes at Memphis got, not sure what others in the Top 10 have gotten.
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The entire financial package at TN includes long term opportunities not put into written agreements. Memphis should have those as well with companies like FedEx.

I’m not aware of the 50+ until I click the link. The only endorsement that I’ve noticed is the football player hawking dry cleaning. I can’t even remember his name after hearing the spot about 6x. A DL I think. I’ve not seen a Fulk TV spot, but I’m not near a Pals.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
The entire financial package at TN includes long term opportunities not put into written agreements. Memphis should have those as well with companies like FedEx.

I’m not aware of the 50+ until I click the link. The only endorsement that I’ve noticed is the football player hawking dry cleaning. I can’t even remember his name after hearing the spot about 6x. A DL I think. I’ve not seen a Fulk TV spot, but I’m not near a Pals.
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Not sure what your first part means. Fed Ex appears to be willing to pony up a lot more guaranteed money up front for Memphis NIL than any other company I have seen.

As for the 2nd, I think as a whole the NIL isn’t what people thought/had in mind…it’s not like I can sit here and tell you about guys from Arkansas, Kentucky etc that I have seen on TV and am well aware that they have a deal in place.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Ok? It’s not as if he had a commitment set, it had long been mentioned (by you even) that he might be waiting/working on a UK offer, no?
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See bolded. Keyword.

Yes, he MIGHT have been waiting on that UK offer. Or...he MIGHT have been turned off by Tennessee's alleged poorly organized NIL plans and preparedness. We don't know.

I'm just offering up a possible, logical explanation as to why he may have slowed things down a bit when it seemed he may be our next commitment. The difference in NIL possibilities between UK and TN might also be why he was so patient with waiting on the UK offer.

And there may be absolutely nothing to it. Just because I offered the suggestion/possibility doesn't mean I believe it or that I'm perpetuating it.
 
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cncchris33 said:
See bolded. Keyword.

Yes, he MIGHT have been waiting on that UK offer. Or...he MIGHT have been turned off by Tennessee's alleged poorly organized NIL plans and preparedness. We don't know.

I'm just offering up a possible, logical explanation as to why he may have slowed things down a bit when it seemed he may be our next commitment. The difference in NIL possibilities between UK and TN might also be he was so patient with waiting on the UK offer.

And there may be absolutely nothing to it. Just because I offered the suggestion/possibility doesn't mean I believe it or that I'm perpetuating it.
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Well he was just here for another OV, so I would say as it pertains to the original point by Basilio it hasn’t “cost us” Wallace.
 
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Volprofch05 said:
I know, it's shocking. One thing I will say is that we could probably do a better job of publicizing (bragging about) NIL deals so people are more aware.
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Maybe so, but keep in mind the NIL landscape is uncharted territory for schools, with negligible guidance from the NCAA, so some ADs may be more hesitant on going "all in." Other than the few "mega deals" we've seen with the crème de la crème of college athletics (e.g., Bryce Young, the Memphis basketball recruits), it appears that a vast majority of college players aren't pulling in anything significant.

IMHO, once schools get a better handle on the process, and what they can (or can't) do, we will see a more thorough push from ADs.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Not sure what your first part means. Fed Ex appears to be willing to pony up a lot more guaranteed money up front for Memphis NIL than any other company I have seen.

As for the 2nd, I think as a whole the NIL isn’t what people thought/had in mind…it’s not like I can sit here and tell you about guys from Arkansas, Kentucky etc that I have seen on TV and am well aware that they have a deal in place.
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It means that premium players like Chandler aren’t necessarily only being compensated with the publicly announced deals. Anything goes now. Big donors can ink 6 figure deals for future services with up front payments. Even if those types of deals are not allowed by the NCAA they’ll never be able to prove they exist or have the resources to investigate and enforce. The NCAA can not subpoena bank information. Recruits blow in and out of town in months or a year or two. Very few high level, lottery type recruits will be attending a school without a financial component. Every deal is not going to be made public.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Well he was just here for another OV, so I would say as it pertains to the original point by Basilio it hasn’t “cost us” Wallace.
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You're still missing the point I was making. It might have cost us an EARLIER commitment from Wallace.

Hypothetically, maybe Wallace was close to committing to Tennessee, and perhaps why UK wasn't so eager to offer him, and then Wallace became concerned about Tennessee's NIL marketing ability/plans/preparedness. Wallace takes a step back and decides to allow other schools to change his mind.

He is still considering us, so it hasn't, perhaps, cost us his eventual commitment, yet, but it could have possibly cost us his early commitment over the summer before UK got involved. We will likely never know that answer.
 
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TN could have an advantage as a good sized market but without major competition. Ohio State and Columbus is similar. Bama (Birmingham) too. KY for basketball is well positioned. LSU has the NBA and NFL close by. Athens (GA) isn’t huge and Atlanta has lots of competing teams. Auburn is in a cow pasture. TX A&M is surrounded by pro teams.
 
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