2023 Recruiting

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glv98 said:
Oh the irony! Once again we skip down fact free lane with impunity. Yep that Holly was a head coach and a half! And Mickie, much as I love her, also never was a very successful HC, and in fact, discovered she didn't even like the role. Both great people and LV icons, but decidedly NOT head coaches.
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For memory purpose, didn't Demoss beat Pat in year two? Many of the players she recruited to Tennessee. Not everyone likes the role of the HC, but she took the job and got sideways once in KY with the extra things that requires of a HC.
 
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glv98 said:
Oh the irony! Once again we skip down fact free lane with impunity. Yep that Holly was a head coach and a half! And Mickie, much as I love her, also never was a very successful HC, and in fact, discovered she didn't even like the role. Both great people and LV icons, but decidedly NOT head coaches.
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Didn't DeMoss win the SECT as UK head coach? Was it that she wasn't successful, or that she didn't like being HC?

EDIT: NVM, the big win I was thinking of was beating Tennessee as @Majors posted.
 
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Look, we heard Holly try to communicate in a variety of situations both before, during, and after her head coaching gig. She was a great player and assistant, but communication was not her strong suit, to put it mildly. In fact, I can't remember hearing any women's coach who was worse in articulating her thoughts. Maybe that was just mic shock, but she was in the public eye for years. Never heard Mickie, Bridgette, Jolette, Al, Dean or any other LV assistant having that problem.

The point is that, if Holly could close the deal with recruits, it's hard to believe that someone as poised, articulate, and down to earth as Kellie would struggle in that area.
 
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Majors said:
Stated that last year that her first big test would be can she move in the direction to better the team and cut loose her husband. Pat had head coaches sitting next to her in Demoss and Holly, right now she has assistant coaches collecting checks it seems or in this case, double dipping. If you're with this brand of Tennessee coaching you have to be able to recruit top tier and other programs have to come after you.
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Holly?..
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Majors said:
Holly wasn't the next coming, but at .720 she still boasting a better percentage than Harper is currently at TN. Not sure this is the angle you want to go with Holly being shown the door.
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holly also inherited the program from a legend and the name still recruited for itself. harper inherited it from holly, who ran the program into the ground with her inability to coach. harper has had the more difficult tenure and has had a lot more work cut out for her.
 
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At the end of the day Samantha Williams is getting us in the door for recruits and visits it’s Kellie’s Job to close the deal and she isn’t period…
 
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creekdipper said:
The point was that both Sam and Joy had experiences calling the shots before coming to TN whereas Mickie and Holly only got those experiences after their TN assistant days were over.
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Demoss left Tennessee to take over Kentucky and in year two beat Pat. Holly was Pat's version of Bill Guthridge
 
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Majors said:
Holly wasn't the next coming, but at .720 she still boasting a better percentage than Harper is currently at TN. Not sure this is the angle you want to go with Holly being shown the door.
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Holly's successes came primarily in her first few years with players from Pat's tenure. Although recruiting of talent continued, the program got diminishing returns as we dropped out of the Top 25 and nearly missed the Tournament altogether in her final season.

The program has been trending upward each season under Kellie. The high school recruiting is a concern and the one area in which the Holly era was superior. Holly took over a stable program while Kellie took the reins at the program's low point in many decades.

I think most would agree that last season Kellie would likely have equaled Holly's best finish in the Elite Eight had Horston been available. Going 18-1 to begin the season without Burrell available was a pretty amazing feat.

We are all looking for consistent effort on both ends, good decision-making, poise and the ability to not panic, disciplined offense and defense, and execution of fundamentals in passing, ball handling, screening, defensive reactions, boxing out, & help, and court awareness. Too many teams with lesser talent exhibit that to expect any less. Barring serious injuries, we have the talent to develop the teamwork needed for a deep post-season run. Kellie's Mo State Sweet Sixteen team started that season with a series of losses, but they used them as learning experiences. The pressure there just to get into the tournament is greater in some respects since usually only the conference champion gets a bid.

As far as recruiting goes, it would be interesting to see if players' decisions were based more on their strong atrraction to what other schools offered (and long-established relationships with staffs) rather than negative reactions to what TN is offering.
 
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volforlife10 said:
holly also inherited the program from a legend and the name still recruited for itself. harper inherited it from holly, who ran the program into the ground with her inability to coach. harper has had the more difficult tenure and has had a lot more work cut out for her.
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Think the point is being missed here. Pat had coaches/advisors and top tier recruiters on her bench. Kellie does not. That’s the stance, if her staff is weak she has to be strong. If she’s weak her staff has to fill the void.

Which one are we?

Could be said Holly following the legend was a harder task.
 
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Updated for Sole' Williams
2023 offers (with ESPN ranking)

1. Cori Allen (93) To Illinois
2. Kamorea Arnold (6) To UCONN
3. Lenee Beaumont (83) To Indiana
4. Madison Booker (12) To Texas
5. Chloe Clardy (39) To Stanford
6. Essence Cody (22) To Alabama
7. Mallory Collier (55) To NC State
8. Aalyah Del Rosario (7) To LSU
9. Montaya Dew (8) To Arizona
10. Jadyn Donovan (3) To Duke
11. Hawa Doumbouya To Maryland
12. Jada Harrison To Middle TN State
13. Kymora Johnson (24) To Virginia
14. Alyssa Latham (72) To Syracuse
15. Olivia McGhee (45) To Virginia
16. S'Mya Nichols (34) To Kansas
17. Emma Risch (20) To Notre Dame
18. Qadence Samuels (41) To UCONN
19. Taliah Scott (11) To Arkansas
20. Ashlyn Shade (15) To UCONN
21. Delaney Thomas (29) To Duke
22. Angelica Velez (44) To LSU
23. Mikaylah Williams (2) To LSU
24. Sole Williams (51) To Tx A&M
 
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mcannon1 said:
Updated for Sole' Williams
2023 offers (with ESPN ranking)

1. Cori Allen (93) To Illinois
2. Kamorea Arnold (6) To UCONN
3. Lenee Beaumont (83) To Indiana
4. Madison Booker (12) To Texas
5. Chloe Clardy (39) To Stanford
6. Essence Cody (22) To Alabama
7. Mallory Collier (55) To NC State
8. Aalyah Del Rosario (7) To LSU
9. Montaya Dew (8) To Arizona
10. Jadyn Donovan (3) To Duke
11. Hawa Doumbouya To Maryland
12. Jada Harrison To Middle TN State
13. Kymora Johnson (24) To Virginia
14. Alyssa Latham (72) To Syracuse
15. Olivia McGhee (45) To Virginia
16. S'Mya Nichols (34) To Kansas
17. Emma Risch (20) To Notre Dame
18. Qadence Samuels (41) To UCONN
19. Taliah Scott (11) To Arkansas
20. Ashlyn Shade (15) To UCONN
21. Delaney Thomas (29) To Duke
22. Angelica Velez (44) To LSU
23. Mikaylah Williams (2) To LSU
24. Sole Williams (51) To Tx A&M
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smh
 
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As far as recruiting goes, it would be interesting to see if players' decisions were based more on their strong atrraction to what other schools offered (and long-established relationships with staffs) rather than negative reactions to what TN is offering.

I agree, it isn’t anything Harper is not doing but it is what the recruits are wanting.
 
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I think she should come out like Heupel did and publicly say that Tennessee is going to be the best place in the country for NIL. Own it, embrace it.
 
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