2024 Presidential Race

[hog88]

I found an AP article that laid out the timeline. He retired May of 2005 after accepting the conditional promotion. Hos unit was aware of coming deployment orders which showed up in August 2005. The unit deployed in 2006. So again telegraphed way in advance.

The clear interpretation is he wanted to make E-9 I mean why not. He could see way in advance his unit was going to deploy after taking the conditional promotion and out his papers in and was administratively rolled back. He also intended to run for Congress (guessing this would have been a 2006 campaign) so again why take the promotion?

My guess is at some point after he accepted the appointment he got the backing from the kingmakers to make the congressional run. And which I could understand (would not approve of but understand) if only he'd had been honest about it in his campaigns and bio this wouldn't be an issue.

 

[hog88]

I found an AP article that says the orders to the unit showed up in August 2005 for a 2006 deployment and he put his paperwork in in May 2005.

But they received the warning order way before August.

 

[RockyTop85]

I found an AP article that says the orders to the unit showed up in August 2005 for a 2006 deployment and he put his paperwork in in May 2005.

That may be what this says, but they were notified of a possible deployment before he left.

The promotion thing seems like a more plausible criticism but too nuanced to get much traction.

 

[BreatheUT]

Same things were stated about Trump in 2016. Some repeated that same sentiment in 2020.
S**t happens.
Agree with you Kamala Harris, but, crap happens.
Trump Voters should be elated that Harris will be the Nominee, but most are not and concerned about Trump chances to regain the WH or losing to a Black/Indian Woman.
Both are unfit, but will make a choice based on Tribe and and current issues. Each would bode well for a net/positive in past elections but this election will be based on lies set forth by both parties and social media.
Some of the votes will be cast because of hate of the a candidate.
Records and past will haunt the candidates and the spewing of lies by both groups will not help but will only contribute to the division in this country.
With these two it makes no difference who is elected the country will remain divided and it will increase until one of these group of voters is beaten to a pulp.
So expect more of the same in the future.
Not a good forecast but a more than likely event.

I think it comes down to if Trump can stay on message enough to focus on the issues like he seemed do to for a while with Biden. With him, it can go either way which is a sad statement.

Harris really has nothing hopeful to offer. The strangest thing is they act like there will be new positions in January like they are kicking out Biden's bad policy. Well she is VP right now. They are trying to turn this into feelings. If she is successful then she might pull a shocking result for the country which would be an indictment on how the Trump campaign was run which he would have some direct responsibility.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

But they received the warning order way before August.

Why do you want to run him down so bad? Is it because of a couple of statements he made in the past? How many years did you serve? I respect your service and your knowledge, but it seems you're going out of your way to disparage this guy. Easy, man

 

[NorthDallas40]

Edit: as Hog points out later I was confused (and I was indeed confused) Walz was rolled back to E-8 which is Master Sergeant from E-9 Sergeant Major.

Ok so I need to correct my own error also. Walz was and retired as a Sergeant Major. He was rolled back from Command Sergeant Major. Both if those are E-9 and it’s a role variance. For E-9 it goes.

Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major of the Army (there is only one)

The final role is the highest ranking enlisted singular individual in the US Army.

 

[hog88]

Why do you want to run him down so bad? Is it because of a couple of statements he made in the past? How many years did you serve? I respect your service and your knowledge, but it seems you're going out of your way to disparage this guy. Easy, man

I think it's pretty obvious why I disparage this guy, he's an authoritarian liberal wacko who has no business even walking into the WH let alone being 1 breath away from the oval office. But, I can let his separation go and concentrate on his political record. I'll say no more about that.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That may be what this says, but they were notified of a possible deployment before he left.

The promotion thing seems like a more plausible criticism but too nuanced to get much traction.

Admittedly I don’t think this moves up to “stolen valor” level stuff not the promotion. I do think he has embellished a tad on his roles and record but he did indeed serve for two and a half decades. It just seems so hap hazard and totally self inflicted for anybody who might have been planning a post service political career.

 

[NorthDallas40]

My guess is at some point after he accepted the appointment he got the backing from the kingmakers to make the congressional run. And which I could understand (would not approve of but understand) if only he'd had been honest about it in his campaigns and bio this wouldn't be an issue.

I agree that seems very plausible. His plans could have abruptly changed after he already set on the CSM path.

 

[just bob]

A lot of people in his unit seem to know what happened. As a senior NCO a lot of people would have known what happened.

 

[hog88]

Ok so I need to correct my own error also. Walz was and retired as a Sergeant Major. He was rolled back from Command Sergeant Major. Both if those are E-9 and it’s a role variance. For E-9 it goes.

Sergeant Major
Command Sergeant Major
Sergeant Major of the Army (there is only one)

The final role is the highest ranking enlisted singular individual in the US Army.

He retired as a Master Seargeant E-8

Harris’ campaign has referred to Walz as a “retired Command Sergeant Major,” one of the top ranks for an enlisted soldier. He did in fact achieve that rank, but personnel files show he was reduced in rank months after retiring. That left him as a master sergeant for benefits purposes.

Here's a look at questions about Tim Walz's military record

 

[RockyTop85]

Admittedly I don’t think this moves up to “stolen valor” level stuff not the promotion. I do think he has embellished a tad on his roles and record but he did indeed serve for two and a half decades. It just seems so hap hazard and totally self inflicted for anybody who might have been planning a post service political career.

For two plus years, this forum emphatically told me that all politicians lie and that no lie or amount of lying is worse than any other lie or lesser amount of lying, so if the worst that can be said of this guy is that he “embellished,” I might write him in for president.

 

[hog88]

Admittedly I don’t think this moves up to “stolen valor” level stuff not the promotion. I do think he has embellished a tad on his roles and record but he did indeed serve for two and a half decades. It just seems so hap hazard and totally self inflicted for anybody who might have been planning a post service political career.

I think the "stolen valor" claims are BS.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I think it's pretty obvious why I disparage this guy, he's an authoritarian liberal wacko who has no business even walking into the WH let alone being 1 breath away from the oval office. But, I can let his separation go and concentrate on his political record. I'll say no more about that.

That's pretty good. You should say more. This nation is firmly built, as it was intended, on everyone's input. We're we're set up to exist as a nation of different ideologies and culture. We have done a sh**ty job electing our representative leaders

 

[hog88]

I agree that seems very plausible. His plans could have abruptly changed after he already set on the CSM path.

And if that was the case I don't think many would have a serious problem with that explanation.

 

[NorthDallas40]

He retired as a Master Seargeant E-8



Here's a look at questions about Tim Walz's military record

Ah thank you for that correction and that makes more sense than what I was struggling with. He did get actual rank rolled back. The three titles I listed are all E-9 and I got confused on how roll back.

Also that article you posted I believe is the one I found outlining his separation timeline thanks for that.

 

[hog88]

Ah thank you for that correction and that makes more sense than what I was struggling with. He did get actual rank rolled back. The three titles I listed are all E-9 and I got confused on how roll back.

Also that article you posted I believe is the one I found outlining his separation timeline thanks for that.

You're very welcome.

 

[NorthDallas40]

For two plus years, this forum emphatically told me that all politicians lie and that no lie or amount of lying is worse than any other lie or lesser amount of lying, so if the worst that can be said of this guy is that he “embellished,” I might write him in for president.

More power to you I guess. His politics absolutely suck he is farther left than Bernie that is the real threat to me. As I’ve said his separation situation is a head scratcher.

 

[NorthDallas40]

You're very welcome.

Oh don’t be so pleased with yourself ham sammich

 

[hog88]

Oh don’t be so pleased with yourself ham sammich

I'll tone it down.

 

[hog88]

More power to you I guess. His politics absolutely suck he is farther left than Bernie that is the real threat to me. As I’ve said his separation situation is a head scratcher.

That's the real issue with Walz and Harris, they are so far left having either in the WH is a scary thought. In 2020 people were calling Biden a centrist and look at the left wing policies he pushed, Harris isn't even attempting to play the centrist.

 

[RavinDave]

It’s so frustrating.. Kamala is going around saying we are going to do this and that.. well what exactly have y’all been doing for 5 years, you ninny? If you had the ability to fix things then you would have, unless you are letting things tank intentionally?

Ninny…lol

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

A lot of people in his unit seem to know what happened. As a senior NCO a lot of people would have known what happened.

How many? The NG has issued a statement about his service. Have you checked that out?

 

[NorthDallas40]

That's the real issue with Walz and Harris, they are so far left having either in the WH is a scary thought. In 2020 people were calling Biden a centrist and look at the left wing policies he pushed, Harris isn't even attempting to play the centrist.

I cannot think of a prior duo anywhere near these two as far as left bias. He served, how he separated is kinda confusing, but that’s noise compared to his political and legislative record since his separation. That is what the focus needs to be.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

That's the real issue with Walz and Harris, they are so far left having either in the WH is a scary thought. In 2020 people were calling Biden a centrist and look at the left wing policies he pushed, Harris isn't even attempting to play the centrist.

Yes, but like everyone else has for the last 30+ years, they'll be forced to move to the center. It will be an entertaining next 2.5 months. If you got things under control, POTUS shouldn't make a difference