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Majors said:
He quit during a war. Which part is dishonest? No need to spin or protect him.
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You said that he quit when called to action.

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Fact-checking attacks on Walz's military record by Vance and other Republicans

Republican vice presidential nominee and Ohio Sen. JD Vance sought to negatively frame the 24-year military career of Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Walz, Minnesota’s current governor.
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You are either lying, or you have a misunderstanding of the timeline. From the above article by PBS, which includes fact-checking reported by Fox News :

"Walz retired from the Minnesota National Guard in May 2005. He had submitted retirement paperwork five to seven months beforehand. Fox News reported, citing the Minnesota National Guard.

In March 2005, Walz's battalion had been notified about a possible deployment to Iraq within two years, Walz's camapaign said in a news release that month, citing the National Guard Public Affairs Office. The Minnesota National Guard said the battalion then received an official order about mobilizing for deployment to Iraq in July 2005, after Walz retired.

Vance's statement misleads by distorting the timeline. Walz had not been "asked by his country to go to Iraq," as Vance said. He had been given a two-year window for a potential deployment, not definite, deployment. And the official deployment notice came after Walz's retirement.

Walz has said since before his Army retirement that he left to run for Congress. He filed his candidacy paperwork in February 2005, before the March 2005 notification about the potential deployment."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wow, what a horrible excuse. To use that terrible moment as an obvious dodge of the fact his wife knows him .... and loathe his very presence.
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Vol8188 said:
From my experience you normally know of deployments well before getting your actual orders (I believe it was roughly 6 months advance when our unit knew) So he likely knew.

His argument is the official orders had not came through, and it’s a weak/dishonest argument.

The honest argument here would be “running for congress was an opportunity that I couldn’t pass up, so I made the difficult decision to leave my unit”. That’s an argument that would be honest and reasonable. His current claim is neither
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Per the reporting from the loony liberal cable news network known as Fox News .... Walz submitted retirement paperwork months before receiving a notice concerning potential deployment in March of 2005.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You said that he quit when called to action.

www.pbs.org

Fact-checking attacks on Walz's military record by Vance and other Republicans

Republican vice presidential nominee and Ohio Sen. JD Vance sought to negatively frame the 24-year military career of Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Walz, Minnesota’s current governor.
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org

You are either lying, or you have a misunderstanding of the timeline. From the above article by PBS, which includes fact-checking reported by Fox News :

"Walz retired from the Minnesota National Guard in May 2005. He had submitted retirement paperwork five to seven months beforehand. Fox News reported, citing the Minnesota National Guard.

In March 2005, Walz's battalion had been notified about a possible deployment to Iraq within two years, Walz's camapaign said in a news release that month, citing the National Guard Public Affairs Office. The Minnesota National Guard said the battalion then received an official order about mobilizing for deployment to Iraq in July 2005, after Walz retired.

Vance's statement misleads by distorting the timeline. Walz had not been "asked by his country to go to Iraq," as Vance said. He had been given a two-year window for a potential deployment, not definite, deployment. And the official deployment notice came after Walz's retirement.

Walz has said since before his Army retirement that he left to run for Congress. He filed his candidacy paperwork in February 2005, before the March 2005 notification about the potential deployment."
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So he didn’t quit right before he was to be deployed? So he went to war and didn’t use a backdoor way out. That’s weird.
 
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Majors said:
So he didn’t quit right before he was to be deployed? So he went to war and didn’t use a backdoor way out. That’s weird.
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He retired after 24 years of service .... and he submitted the paperwork for his retirement months before receiving the notice concerning potential deployment. Once again, this fact-checking was conducted and reported by Fox News.

Walz had also submitted candidacy paperwork for his run for Congress before receiving the notice concerning potential deployment to Iraq, as well.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
And that is rich ..... Walz served 24 years. He retired during a war. Many a decorated soldier has done that. It is comical how a supporter of "Cadet Bone Spurs" thinks that is somehow a strike against Walz.
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You’re going to say cadet “bone spurs” and not mention “cadet asthma” or “cadet Hawaii Harvard” or “education deferment Clinton”. Again, Jimmy Carter was your last war hero President.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
He retired after 24 years of service .... and he submitted the paperwork for his retirement months before receiving the notice concerning potential deployment. Once again, this fact-checking was conducted and reported by Fox News.
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We were in a war. You can keep saying 24 years of service, he bailed on his troops. Much like he bailed on the business owners of Minneapolis.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Wow, what a horrible excuse. To use that terrible moment as an obvious dodge of the fact his wife knows him .... and loathe his very presence.
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You can tell all that by not seeing her? What other predictions can you make? Seems like you would be very good at them given your certainty here

Again, you're not married are you? After 20yrs I would guess every wife has had moments where they loathe the very presence of their husband. The smart ones also allow their husband space to pursue their interests. This just doesn't seem to be a shared one. Not to mention the rhetoric from the left causing assassination attempts might give her a bit of pause to be out in the open.
 
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Majors said:
We were in a war. You can keep saying 24 years of service, he bailed on his troops. Much like he bailed on the business owners of Minneapolis.
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So what? People who serve during war time can't retire? LOL.

We were in a war when Donald Trump used a sketchy medical deferment over bone spurs to dodge any type of service at all.

This is a politically partisan attack.
 
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Majors said:
You’re going to say cadet “bone spurs” and not mention “cadet asthma” or “cadet Hawaii Harvard” or “education deferment Clinton”. Again, Jimmy Carter was your last war hero President.
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I have been critical of Biden and Clinton. Barack Obama didn't dodge a draft. He simply made the choice not to serve in the United States Armed Forces. Clinton, Trump and Biden did dodge drafts.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
So what? People who serve during war time can't retire? LOL.

We were in a war when Donald Trump used a sketchy medical deferment over bone spurs to dodge any type of service at all.

This is a politically partisan attack.
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Sure, retire. Don’t claim titles you didn’t have, don’t boast you went to war when you didn’t. Walk away and enjoy civilian life. Once you take on the role of fake battle captain when you opted out protecting its open season.

Again, as I’ve stated with Trump you seem to accept your parties last 3 opting to not join the military (Obama) or Clinton and Biden opting out of war like Trump. I raised your bones spurs an asthma and an education deferment. Please, keep up your partisan attack while accepting your owns party hypocrisy.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Clinton, Trump and Biden did dodge drafts.
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A criminal draft based on govt lies. The US hasn't been in a justifiable war in 80yrs. Any hate for people not fighting in Vietnam or Iraq should be directed toward those who lied to put our armed forces in harms way. They're evil

Walz sucks but the military call out is a loser. Quit letting it overshadow the absolutely horrible policy positions. I assure you the left is happy to discuss anything other than policy
 
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Majors said:
Again, as I’ve stated with Trump you seem to accept your parties last 3 opting to not join the military (Obama)
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I don't see why it matters that Barack Obama didn't serve .... The point is Clinton, Biden and Trump dodged the draft. And I have been critical of all 3.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I’m shocked they didn’t just claim that too many people wanted to hear them talk and overloaded the servers.
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I think that is pretty easy to track if you know what to look for. and you can tell the difference between that and a DDOS. making a bad claim like that would get fact checked one way or the other pretty quickly.

also may play into the Trump victimhood card with the hack of his campaign.
 
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utvolpj said:
You can tell all that by not seeing her? What other predictions can you make? Seems like you would be very good at them given your certainty here

Again, you're not married are you? After 20yrs I would guess every wife has had moments where they loathe the very presence of their husband. The smart ones also allow their husband space to pursue their interests. This just doesn't seem to be a shared one. Not to mention the rhetoric from the left causing assassination attempts might give her a bit of pause to be out in the open.
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She wasn't there BEFORE the shooting, either, was she?

Have you not seen the videos over time of he rolling her eyes at him ?

She just won't participate in the charade any longer. That simple.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
People don't make decisions on who to vote for over things like this. They just don't, and haven't in a long time ...

Look at the last 5 men to be elected President.

Bill Clinton : dodged the Vietnam War draft and lied about it. Defeated 2 men who were World War II vets (George Bush and Bob Dole).

George W. Bush : dodged service in Vietnam through somehow gaining admission to the Air National Guard. He didn't even fulfill his obligations to the Air National Guard. He still defeated John McCain in the 2000 Republican Primary and then defeated a Silver Star and Purple Heart recipient, John Kerry, in the 2004 General Election.

Barack Obama : was too young to have served in Vietnam, but never served in the US Armed Forces in any capacity.

Donald Trump : received a total of 5 deferments including 1 for bone spurs.

Joe Biden : just like Trump, he had multiple student deferments and a medical one (asthma) which kept him out of Vietnam.

That Dan Quayle was accepted into the Indiana National Guard when there was a waiting list was made a big deal in 1988 when he was George Bush's VP candidate .... Bush/Quayle still won easily over Dukakis/Bentsen.

Basically .... nobody cares about this $hit anymore when they vote for President.
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You're right. Sex or skin color is waaaaaaaay more important.

In the current dust up, I am not sure why anyone gas. They were both in basically support positions as I understand it. Even Vance was a 'correspondent'. Get back to me when we have a guy that has actually killed jihadis.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The attempts by the right to minimize the riot at the Capitol on January 6, 2021 are pathetic. They weren't "mostly peaceful." It was anything but "relatively minor." That is revisionist history. I have posted video after video from that day which shows unprovoked acts of violence being committed against Capitol police officers and security, as well as acts of vandalism. You are not in denial. You are simply dishonest. This is just flat-out lying.

The manner in which Donald Trump and his followers handled his defeat in the 2020 Presidential Election was a disgrace.
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people who vandalized the capital should be punished… people who bandalized buildings during the George Floyd riots should be punished… other than that… WGAS?
 
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Vol8188 said:
From my experience you normally know of deployments well before getting your actual orders (I believe it was roughly 6 months advance when our unit knew) So he likely knew.

His argument is the official orders had not came through, and it’s a weak/dishonest argument.

The honest argument here would be “running for congress was an opportunity that I couldn’t pass up, so I made the difficult decision to leave my unit”. That’s an argument that would be honest and reasonable. His current claim is neither
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Didn't he put in for his retirement in Dec. 2004? I saw where someone in his unit said they didn't receive orders till July 2005. I probably knew, but it's a nothing burger if he didn't make the "war" claim
 
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