2024 Presidential Race

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hog88 said:
Yep, Trump even sucked hiring someone to help him steal.
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Hey, Pence was freaking loyal to him until Trump wanted him to cross the line. Say what you want about Pence, but that was courageous knowing it would turn the Trumpers against him. We've got a Republican house and Senate now that shamelessly carries Trump's water
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
That's tragic if course, but labeling an entire group based on those events is an overreaction. Do you know the % of illegal immigrants that commit violent crimes, relatively speaking. Do the math. Find a number of illegal immigrants you agree with and then look at the numbers of felonies from that group. Get back to me with the %

Those people you mentioned would take issue with me? My goodness, you see the world through two, extremely narrow binary lens
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One crime is too many when illegal immigration is against the law. It's not until your own family is directly impacted that it hits home. It shouldn't happen to anyone else's family either.
 
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luthervol said:
No, I didn't.

I was merely trying to get the vast majority of the posters in the PF who consistently denied the first to reluctantly admit that it was true.

Remember - it's about a 1 to 20 ratio.
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A. I simply understand the classification of “protest” that yields 20,000 instances, which in turn renders the 600+ riotous mobs as 3% of the total.

B. Lolz… no, it might be 1 to 4.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Yea innocent till proven guilty is kinda the standard set here in the US till the last 15;years when people like you decided public opinion was all that was needed to be proven guilty... whether the truth matched or not. And you constantly say he tried to subvert an election or incited J6 none of which he has been found guilty of. And indicated doesn't mean guilty as has been shown with his other cases and those that jack smith has had overturned before.....and no for your attempt to "gotcha" not everyone but Trump is lying but the majority in regards to Trump and his legal actions are. Your a anti Trump cultist, so your view of most things Trump skew to against rather then the middle which you often claim to be.
Myself I support Trump but did not vote for him in the primaries...but not because he was guilty of the charges falsified against him
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Yet he gleefully and continually lead chants of "lock her up" with tens of thousands of his mindless followers who were sure Clinton was guilty.

Ironic?
Karma?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Can you walk me through your reasoning that Harris can/will do more long term harm, in light of the Cheseboro/Eastman memos and the evidence that Trump was on board with them?

I have a hard time seeing that as anything other than being so harmful that it laps the field.

A post with links and quotes to support the above, for the inevitable clown parade that will come in to argue about it.

The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

I agree with that analysis as to most of the people involved in the physical rioting, but I don’t think it extends to the candidate or the campaign. Do you disagree that the plan was to secure an unelected second “term” for Trump? At that point, doesn’t it cease to be “our government,” even if...
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She's weak. Everybody knows it. Putin, Xi and even rocket man are going to have her dumb ass for breakfast. Nevermind the mullahs.

Was is a guarantee under her 'leadership'.
 
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85SugarVol said:
A. I simply understand the classification of “protest” that yields 20,000 instances, which in turn renders the 600+ riotous mobs as 3% of the total.

B. Lolz… no, it might be 1 to 4.
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The issue was never the protests but the city officials allowing the violence and doing nothing.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Whatever it was, it wasn’t a “big government power grab” like we saw at the state level during Covid.
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Using United States Congressmen and Congresswomen in the scheme makes it a big government grab. The COVID mandates were an entirely exclusive event. Of course it wasn't the same. One was a felony and the other wasn't
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ah yes, the “armed rebellion”…

Point is he was actually in office during Covid.
He didn’t have to engineer anything.
He simply need reach out and grab it.
But he didn’t.

Explain that.
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I did. Because it in no way directly benefited trump or the trump brand. That is all he has ever been concerned with.
Stealing the election benefited trump - so he went for it.
He will use and abuse his position only to feed his own ego - enrich and empower himself. Narcisitic personality disorder.

That's the explanation.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
That's tragic if course, but labeling an entire group based on those events is an overreaction. Do you know the % of illegal immigrants that commit violent crimes, relatively speaking. Do the math. Find a number of illegal immigrants you agree with and then look at the numbers of felonies from that group. Get back to me with the %

Those people you mentioned would take issue with me? My goodness, you see the world through two, extremely narrow binary lens
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Thanks for the personal attack, I do not personally attack you.. 😂.. we have also had a s3x trafficking operation here in my town in middle Tennessee.. run by guess what? Illegals 😂.. It’s a problem..and to argue otherwise is being tone deaf, but I am not saying that what is what you are being, because I am a lady 😂 Also, a friend of mine who is a highway patrol officer told me all these wrecks are happening with illegals because they can’t read the signs because they can’t read /speak English and they don’t have driver’s licenses and try and run from the police, thus causing really, really dangerous wrecks
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Hey, Pence was freaking loyal to him until Trump wanted him to cross the line. Say what you want about Pence, but that was courageous knowing it would turn the Trumpers against him. We've got a Republican house and Senate now that shamelessly carries Trump's water
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Is it surprising to you when people actually do their duty and follow the law even when it will be unpopular?
 
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luthervol said:
I did. Because it in no way directly benefited trump or the trump brand. That is all he has ever been concerned with.
Stealing the election benefited trump - so he went for it.
He will use and abuse his position only to feed his own ego - enrich and empower himself. Narcisitic personality disorder.

That's the explanation.
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HUH? How wouldn’t him amassing unprecedented power benefit him? Think for once.
 
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LadyVolette said:
Thanks for the personal attack, I do not personally attack you.. 😂.. we have also had a s3x trafficking operation here in my town in middle Tennessee.. run by guess what? Illegals 😂.. It’s a problem..and to argue otherwise is being tone deaf, but I am not saying that what is what you are being, because I am a lady 😂
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It wasn't an attack. It was a statement based on your posts. You're a smart lady but limit your intelligence to unnuanced takes. Middle Tennessee had one of the highest volumes of meth labs in this country for an extended period of time? Did you express the same amount of outrage during that period. I'm thinking you did because deaths were much more then than now. All those crimes were higher in the past
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Absolutely. It doesn't make anyone "evil" in America
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I have another story.

Years ago I took my young son to the YMCA during the Thanksgiving break. He was in elementary school. We parked out front. A couple of hours later we came out and my windows were broken. Someone had broken in and stolen my wallet, later I would find out they quickly left to make large purchases on my credit/debit card. A had a Visa gift card, even license and social security card in my wallet. Everything all gone and maxed out. My identity was compromised.

I spent the next several days trying to get my money back from the bank and I had to get my car fixed. My money didn't travel as far back then and I worked two jobs.

We filed a report with the police. The Y looked at the video and we saw the two criminals pull into the their parking lot and back in. They boldly went around to different cars during the day time looking to see if they could spot valuables and found my car.

It was in that moment I asked myself how could people be so roguish? I thought I was in a safe place. What if I would've walked out with my 8 year old surprised to catch them in the act? What would've been my natural reaction? Did they have weapons? Forget me, my child could've easily become a victim trying to help his dad.

It was in that moment when crime meant something totally different to me. You never know when it will impact you directly but you empathize and don't want it to happen to others either. Justice is important. I've had a few other incidents to my private property that has only increased the importance I place on law and order.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Can you walk me through your reasoning that Harris can/will do more long term harm, in light of the Cheseboro/Eastman memos and the evidence that Trump was on board with them?

I have a hard time seeing that as anything other than being so harmful that it laps the field.

A post with links and quotes to support the above, for the inevitable clown parade that will come in to argue about it.

The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

I agree with that analysis as to most of the people involved in the physical rioting, but I don’t think it extends to the candidate or the campaign. Do you disagree that the plan was to secure an unelected second “term” for Trump? At that point, doesn’t it cease to be “our government,” even if...
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I don't have a problem with him challenging things in court. That's what it exists for. I do take issue with him still claiming it was stolen. As far as Harris goes, I think it's pretty evident that her, and really if any Dem was elected, you will see court packing. They will then attack the 2A and overturn the recent abortion ruling. I believe they don't GAS about the problem at the border. It's just now become a losing argument for them. I base this on the fact that we were told by everyone in the Dem admins that there was no problem until 6-8 months ago.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I have another story.

Years ago I took my young son to the YMCA during the Thanksgiving break. He was in elementary school. We parked out front. A couple of hours later we came out and my windows were broken. Someone had broken in and stolen my wallet, later I would find out they quickly left to make large purchases on my credit/debit card. A had a Visa gift card, even license and social security card in my wallet. Everything all gone and maxed out. My identity was compromised.

I spent the next several days trying to get my money back from the bank and I had to get my car fixed. My money didn't travel as far back then and I worked two jobs.

We filed a report with the police. The Y looked at the video and we saw the two criminals pull into the their parking lot and back in. They boldly went around to different cars during the day time looking to see if they could spot valuables and found my car.

It was in that moment I asked myself how could people be so roguish? I thought I was in a safe place. What if I would've walked out with my 8 year old surprised to catch them in the act? What would've been my natural reaction? Did they have weapons? Forget me, my child could've easily become a victim trying to help his dad.

It was in that moment when crime meant something totally different to me. You never know when it will impact you directly but you empathize and don't want it to happen to others either. Justice is important. I've had a few other incidents to my private property that has only increased the importance I place on law and order.
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I feel for you. Had a couple of similar events in the past. Bad timing. There are relatively some evil people, but not most. It's hyperbole and uninformed to define a large sector with the extreme term of "evil"
 
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hog88 said:
HUH? How wouldn’t him amassing unprecedented power benefit him? Think for once.
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It's not the money, it's the adulation. The ego.

Think about it: Trump has his base locked up. It doesn't matter what he says or does between now and November, that core group WILL vote, and they WILL vote for him.

So what he needs to do now is focus on immigration and inflation. Cite specifics. Win over the undecided.

Does he do that ? No. Have you. Been watching him? It's always the same pattern now: he starts off on the teleprompter and sticks to the script.

But the base falls asleep. Feet shuffle. People look at their cell phones.

And Trump cannot stand that. He reverts to the name calling and the insults.

There no chance that earns him any more votes as the people there are voting for him anyway. He does it purely for the rush of the cheers, the waiving signs, the chants.


So well done, sir. You stand on the stage and bask in the ego feeding cheers. No more votes, but you can arrogantly raise that nose up and think about how popular you are... as all of the professionals on your team backstage beat their heads into the wall at how you aren't expanding at all the universe of votes you might win.
 
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