2024 Presidential Race

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luthervol said:
So what do you see as the best case scenario in '24? (one that is at least slightly plausible)
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Well in this election we have someone who is about as left as it gets, who is a light weight both intellectually and on policy, who is solely in position bc your party just now realized Biden was invalid vs. a POS


Don't know what I'm going to do yet. My guess is Kennedy. Wish both parties had done better

From a policy perspective Harris can/will do more long term harm.

I have zero faith in Trump from a temperament perspective.
 
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volfanhill said:
Well in this election we have someone who is about as left as it gets, who is a light weight both intellectually and on policy, who is solely in position bc your party just now realized Biden was invalid vs. a POS


Don't know what I'm going to do yet. My guess is Kennedy. Wish both parties had done better
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Those who think Kamala is about as left as it gets will be in for a rude awakening in the future.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
When was he convicted of trying to subvert a legal election??
So he is guilty until proven innocent or just guilty because you says so?
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I didn't say he had been found guilty in a court of law. Is that your standard? If so, we're going to find out. That case isn't disappearing. It's not because I say so either. The reason the case looks extremely reasonable is because there are players who have already been indicted. What? Everyone is lying but Trump? Isn't that kind of your go-to response
 
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Watching the trump news conference..................he continues to be everything I thought him to be.
 
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volfanhill said:
Well in this election we have someone who is about as left as it gets, who is a light weight both intellectually and on policy, who is solely in position bc your party just now realized Biden was invalid vs. a POS


Don't know what I'm going to do yet. My guess is Kennedy. Wish both parties had done better

From a policy perspective Harris can/will do more long term harm.

I have zero faith in Trump from a temperament perspective.
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I agree with most all of that....with the notable exception that I believe trump will do greater long term harm.

Both parties failed again and the perfect opportunity for an electable 3rd party candidate is going to be wasted.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Evil: murder of babies, allowing deadly drugs and sex trafficking across the border, bucking our relationship with Israel, sympathizing with Hamas, putting boys in girls' sports and locker rooms.

Catastrophic: Afghan withdrawal, crippling home and goods prices, weak foreign policy that has been a contributing factor in two major wars erupting, energy crisis due to curbing domestic production
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I didn't say he had been found guilty in a court of law. Is that your standard? If so, we're going to find out. That case isn't disappearing. It's not because I say so either. The reason the case looks extremely reasonable is because there are players who have already been indicted. What? Everyone is lying but Trump? Isn't that kind of your go-to response
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Yea innocent till proven guilty is kinda the standard set here in the US till the last 15;years when people like you decided public opinion was all that was needed to be proven guilty... whether the truth matched or not. And you constantly say he tried to subvert an election or incited J6 none of which he has been found guilty of. And indicated doesn't mean guilty as has been shown with his other cases and those that jack smith has had overturned before.....and no for your attempt to "gotcha" not everyone but Trump is lying but the majority in regards to Trump and his legal actions are. Your a anti Trump cultist, so your view of most things Trump skew to against rather then the middle which you often claim to be.
Myself I support Trump but did not vote for him in the primaries...but not because he was guilty of the charges falsified against him
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Yea innocent till proven guilty is kinda the standard set here in the US till the last 15;years when people like you decided public opinion was all that was needed to be proven guilty... whether the truth matched or not. And you constantly say he tried to subvert an election or incited J6 none of which he has been found guilty of. And indicated doesn't mean guilty as has been shown with his other cases and those that jack smith has had overturned before.....and no for your attempt to "gotcha" not everyone but Trump is lying but the majority in regards to Trump and his legal actions are. Your a anti Trump cultist, so your view of most things Trump skew to against rather then the middle which you often claim to be.
Myself I support Trump but did not vote for him in the primaries...but not because he was guilty of the charges falsified against him
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🤭 There is no anti-Trump cult. Almost everyone in the middle 50 dislikes Trump. It's a common sense conclusion. If people vote for him from this group, it's because they believe he is a little bit less terrible than the other. The middle 50 don't defend him like you do
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Multiple use of the terms "evil" and "catastrophic" when neither actually apply.


That was a layup, pal.
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Plenty of us disagree. Maybe you don't spend much of your day caring for parents who can't afford to buy a house or groceries. Maybe the families of the dead servicemen consider Afghan "catastrophic." Maybe murdering unborn babies is the definition of Evil to many of us (see: sacrifices to Baal).

Sorry to pack your lousy layup back into your face.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
🤭 There is no anti-Trump cult. Almost everyone in the middle 50 dislikes Trump. It's a common sense conclusion. If people vote for him from this group, it's because they believe he is a little bit less terrible than the other. The middle 50 don't defend him like you do
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Anti trump is totally a cult, if your willing to vote for a worse candidate because your anti trump, how can that be viewed any other way.. especially when most against him admit it's not a policy issue.
 
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volfanhill said:
Well in this election we have someone who is about as left as it gets, who is a light weight both intellectually and on policy, who is solely in position bc your party just now realized Biden was invalid vs. a POS


Don't know what I'm going to do yet. My guess is Kennedy. Wish both parties had done better

From a policy perspective Harris can/will do more long term harm.

I have zero faith in Trump from a temperament perspective.
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Can you walk me through your reasoning that Harris can/will do more long term harm, in light of the Cheseboro/Eastman memos and the evidence that Trump was on board with them?

I have a hard time seeing that as anything other than being so harmful that it laps the field.

A post with links and quotes to support the above, for the inevitable clown parade that will come in to argue about it.

The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

I agree with that analysis as to most of the people involved in the physical rioting, but I don’t think it extends to the candidate or the campaign. Do you disagree that the plan was to secure an unelected second “term” for Trump? At that point, doesn’t it cease to be “our government,” even if...
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LadyVolette said:
I’m pretty sure the people who have had family members raped or murdered by illegals or killed in car crashes by them (which happens.. we have a quadriplegic who this happened to)..would take issue with you
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That's tragic if course, but labeling an entire group based on those events is an overreaction. Do you know the % of illegal immigrants that commit violent crimes, relatively speaking. Do the math. Find a number of illegal immigrants you agree with and then look at the numbers of felonies from that group. Get back to me with the %

Those people you mentioned would take issue with me? My goodness, you see the world through two, extremely narrow binary lens
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Anti trump is totally a cult, if your willing to vote for a worse candidate because your anti trump, how can that be viewed any other way.. especially when most against him admit it's not a policy issue.
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His policies weren't that good, especially his economic policy. What you don't get is that people who know how to navigate during tough times rely little on half baked policies. It's not just the financial elite either. The financial elite who are heavily leveraged like Trump like Trump.
 
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luthervol said:
lol....Attempting to steal the election was a tad bit larger.
He's not for big government, he's for big trump.......it's only when they align that he becomes interested.
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Ah yes, the “armed rebellion”…

Point is he was actually in office during Covid.
He didn’t have to engineer anything.
He simply need reach out and grab it.
But he didn’t.

Explain that.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ah yes, the “armed rebellion”…

Point is he was actually in office during Covid.
He didn’t have to engineer anything.
He simply need reach out and grab it.
But he didn’t.

Explain that.
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Stealing the election wasn't described as an "armed coup". It was the fake elector scheme
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Can you walk me through your reasoning that Harris can/will do more long term harm, in light of the Cheseboro/Eastman memos and the evidence that Trump was on board with them?

I have a hard time seeing that as anything other than being so harmful that it laps the field.

A post with links and quotes to support the above, for the inevitable clown parade that will come in to argue about it.

The (many) indictments of Donald Trump

I agree with that analysis as to most of the people involved in the physical rioting, but I don’t think it extends to the candidate or the campaign. Do you disagree that the plan was to secure an unelected second “term” for Trump? At that point, doesn’t it cease to be “our government,” even if...
www.volnation.com www.volnation.com
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Just look at the southern border. We don't need more poor people here.
 
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