2024 Presidential Race

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Vol8188 said:
Releasing fake numbers that have to be later revised downward has been a major trend under this admin
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I think they could have just kept the numbers the same (inflated), had Joe not been pushed aside.. with a new person they are probably going to have to outside people take a look, so there are cleaning it up fast
 
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Majors said:
Good to see Oprah last night, always good to have a billionaire speak about adversity and racism. Bold move to have one of “them” in the battle of us vs. them to get the crowd nodding.
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I guess you think Stevie is not blind as well and he has be faking it all these years. Ross got in a pickle by using the words "you people"
 
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luthervol said:
The most common and true response will be "because she is not trump".
If you reject that as a valid reason because you do not understand why that is a valid reason, then nothing can be said.

That's where watching Obama's speech may clarify a few things.
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you are saying: unless you are my level of crazy you won't understand my level of crazy, then nothing can be said. if you can't explain it rationally, you don't have a real argument.

the point you, and the DNC, are missing is you can easily make policy choices that are anti Trumpesque. you just don't need to sell it as anti-Trump. like if you think Trump is boorish, who divides the country, and is too anti whatever; you could just run on a platform or candidate who makes honest connections with people, heals the country, and is pro-whatever. you don't need to bring Trump into it, to be anti-Trump. Kamala isn't any more relatable to the average person than Trump is. She doesn't come across any smarter, or leave anyone believing she will be any more respected on an international stage. She doesn't have any policy to really run on that would distinguish her in her actual job you are electing her for. She certainly isn't going to work to heal the nation, or fix any of the issues in the nation. she lies as much as Trump does, but its lies you don't care about so you don't count them.

but instead of coming out with anti-Trumpesque policies, which should be popular if Trump is the problem, you are just making your party about Trump. what happens if Trump dies tomorrow? What is the democratic party? what does it actually stand for right now? yall literally have no identity, which is allowing the far left communistic ideas rise to the top. I keep warning you, there is always something worse, even than Trump. you are going to wake up in a post-Trump era and look around and wonder what you have created, and realize it wasn't worth selling your soul, and the country away for one man.
 
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Buddy’s Bandit said:
OK….call me crazy but I vote for the canidate‘s policy that is going to suit me and my family the best. I am Independant, I don‘t vote for party. Policy means EVERYTHING to me and those I talk with. “Hate” or “despise” are not adjectives used when we discuss our alternative canidate.

Take for example the latest policy on unrealized gains tax from KH…..does that not bother you?….to tax individuals on something they do not have?

I have gone through other policies that are important to me and have ask you and others to discuss them and you don’t. It‘s all ways the same ole same old “anyone but Trump”. To me, that is a sad/negative approach but if that is the approach you want to take, that’s your poragative. I just do not understand that.

Regarding my statement…..I mention I don’t want to watch Obama, yet your response to Kamala’s policy is to watch Obama. NO! I want to hear directly from the leader who is going to take us into the future. I don‘t want to vote for it before you know what it is. I like to know what I am getting in to before I support it.

I dont want to be like Nicaragua who just “outlawed” 1500 “non-governmental organizations”. I know where Conservatives would stand on this. Right now I can only guess how Liberals feel but I am not certain.

Dot you really want wide open boarders And allow those to enter to become citizens?
Do you want to provide healthcare for those same people?
Do you want to provide education for those same people?

Those are noble cause BUT AS A COUNTRY we CANNOT afford it. If we don’t, we will no longer be a country and everything will collapse. I don‘t want that for my kids and their kids.
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Do not be fooled by Luther. He is a globalist at all costs often speaking of the greater good. He is aware that if you compromise with a democrat it means they are continually one step closer to the promised mission. Policy always creep left which is why they continue on this threat to democracy sicko message. That mission is the neverending journey of the progressive utopia until they sink society where it looks nothing like you remember or what it was at its pinnacle.
 
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Majors said:
When you promote Harvey Weinstein your past means very little.
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They were friends, at one time. They had worked together. There is no evidence that she knew that he was abusing and sexually exploiting women, however.

Donald Trump was once a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein's. Trump once said of Epstein, "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy." Trump also said that Epstein liked his women to be "a little on the younger side."

^^^^ Isn't THAT "promoting" Jeffrey Epstein? ^^^^

Are you similarly this hardline with Trump, or is this just more politically-motivated tribalism from you?
 
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luthervol said:
I'm looking forward to the day when we once again have candidates which allow policy to be the primary factor.

Trump took that away from tens of millions.
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12 of the last 16 years a Dem has been President. But please tell us more about how Trump took away from tens of millions. He disrupted the status quo of Hillary is what you meant.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
They were friends, at one time. They had worked together. There is no evidence that she knew that he was abusing and sexually exploiting women, however.

Donald Trump was once a good friend of Jeffrey Epstein's. Trump once said of Epstein, "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy." Trump also said that Epstein liked his women to be "a little on the younger side."

^^^^ Isn't THAT "promoting" Jeffrey Epstein? ^^^^

Are you similarly this hardline with Trump, or is this just more politically-motivated tribalism from you?
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Sure Jan

Never heard Oprah disassociate with Harvey the way Trump did with Jeff. But please, continue with your but,but,but.
 
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Septic said:
Biden's policies were Bidens policies.

At least that's what the right was telling us right until Joe was tossed. Suddenly the Biden administration became the Biden-Harris Administration on Fox, it was almost predictable.

I mean, if it makes you feel better - you can believe that VeePees are important *chuckle*.

The rational amongst us know that VP's are DEI hires to bull dog for the POTUS and to secure necessary identity politic voting blocs.
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its been the Biden-Haris Administration thread on this forum for a decent bit of time. long before July of this year.

I don't think pointing to how any media covered this administration after the sharper than a tack debacle is strong argument at all.

Kamala did cast the deciding tie breaker vote for IRA, which is a Biden policy. and she voted FOR it, she says she agrees with that at least that much of Biden's policy. and the IRA held far far far far far far far more than just Inflation Reduction. included plenty of green policy items, foreign funding, health care items, corporate taxes, and 725 pages of BS.
 
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Majors said:
Sure Jan

Never heard Oprah disassociate with Harvey the way Trump did with Jeff. But please, continue with your but,but,but.
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Well, she did.

Oprah Winfrey says Harvey Weinstein's behavior "hideous"

Media mogul took to Facebook to say she hasn't "been able to find the words to articulate the magnitude of the situation"
www.cbsnews.com

^^^ This article is from October 13, 2017. ^^^

Continue with your double-standards.

For the record, I don't believe in "guilt-by-association." I do not fault Trump for having, at one time, been a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's. Once Trump learned of Epstein's conduct, he denounced Epstein and broke off all ties with him. That also appears to be what Oprah Winfrey did with Harvey Weinstein.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Well, she did.

Oprah Winfrey says Harvey Weinstein's behavior "hideous"

Media mogul took to Facebook to say she hasn't "been able to find the words to articulate the magnitude of the situation"
www.cbsnews.com

^^^ This article is from October 13, 2017. ^^^

Continue with your double-standards.

For the record, I don't believe in "guilt-by-association." I do not fault Trump for having, at one time, been a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's. Once Trump learned of Epstein's conduct, he denounced Epstein and broke off all ties with him. That also appears to be what Oprah Winfrey did with Harvey Weinstein.
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Oh, you mean after he got caught. So bold! She encouraged and adored him until the talked about secret was exposed. Next you’ll somehow smooth over John of God and his connection to Oprah.

Is she a Hollywood enabler or was it different because she battled adversity?
 
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Majors said:
12 of the last 16 years a Dem has been President. But please tell us more about how Trump took away from tens of millions. He disrupted the status quo of Hillary is what you meant.
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Trump did what he needed to do and what needed to be done. Most of the time the Republican Party would have returned to normal and dumped a candidate. They under estimated Trump thinking they could control him, they could not. He split the party and now Republicans are dependant on him to keep the Republican party as a controlling party.
What you hear in the media in support of Trump is completely different behind closed doors by the leaders. What's more, is that some leaders said I did not have time for this crap and retired or left office because it was Trump's party and there was no way to regain control the ole GOP.
Who is their right mind would want to run two candidates over 75 years old.
These supporting politicians are about their own survival not either one of these candidates.
The only reason the Democrats are running Harris is because she is already sitting in the WH and is currently 2nd in command and is very controllable.
 
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luthervol said:
I'm looking forward to the day when we once again have candidates which allow policy to be the primary factor.

Trump took that away from tens of millions.
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Trump took away candidates from the Democrats? care to explain?

we didn't have policy talks before Trump either.
vote for Hillary, she is the most qualified ever.
vote for Obama or you are racist.
vote for Mccain or you hate America.
vote for Bush or you are a terrorist.
vote for Gore or you want the world to die.

seriously when was the last candidate where you remember actual policy discussion being a deciding factor? when was the last time the vote between a Dem and Rep was down to one being pro X, and the other being anti X? Its always been party first, even though most people disagree with their own candidate on many things they admit are important to them, just because "the other side is worse".

as usual your hate has completely destroyed your ability to remember beyond Trump.
 
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LouderVol said:
makes what worse?
Trumpism makes liberals worse?
Trumpism makes giving the middle finger to politicians worse?
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The prospects of appropriate compromise.
Trumpism is designed to create one extreme against the other.....bad for the country
 
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