2024 Presidential Race

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Majors said:
All are closer to todays Republicans than the Democrat party. The majority Democrats who voted for Clinton in 1992 and before have been left behind. Especially those alive during the JFK presidency.
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Yes, I'm fully aware. It's been going on awhile. It's been happening with both parties for the most part.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
How do you categorize him...I've always considered him moderate..slightly left
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That's fair, but it's not really "moderate" because he takes positions on issues either extremely left of center or extremely right of it. It puts him overall near the center. That's how I see it anyway, but I think your assessment is where he lies on the scale, which is pretty accurate
 
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LouderVol said:
here on VN? we certainly aren't representative of the whole nation.
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Exactly, we are in the Bible Belt and the South, so of course conservative opinion is going to be much more plentiful on here 😂 (and we all love football.. so there’s that too) 😂 we tend to be a little more toward the traditional
 
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Majors said:
All are closer to todays Republicans than the Democrat party. The majority Democrats who voted for Clinton in 1992 and before have been left behind. Especially those alive during the JFK presidency.
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Yup, Truman and JFK wouldn’t be able to win the nomination in today’s democrat party. The press might even call them „far right“
I could even consider voting D into the mid 90s. But i believe that Bill Clinton will probably be the last democrat to ever get my vote. The democrat party I grew up with is long long gone and that is a loss for our Republic
 
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Majors said:
The right has been a slow transition. The Dems sold their party to the progressives to win at the expense of a drastic overhaul change.
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I agree.The right has slowly been transitioning to populism and as such, I see it as moving toward the center. The left has ceded their party to their most extreme elements and as such is moving further and further left of center
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Does RFK possible endorsement of Trump move the needle?
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Maybe a little, but not likely meaningful.

I'm sure he's a good man, but the thing about RFK is no matter whether you're Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal, Libertarian, totalitarian, pescatarian, or Gozer the Gozerian, we can all agree the man is a bit cray cray.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Yup, Truman and JFK wouldn’t be able to win the nomination in today’s democrat party. The press might even call them „far right“
I could even consider voting D into the mid 90s. But i believe that Bill Clinton will probably be the last democrat to ever get my vote. The democrat party I grew up with is long long gone and that is a loss for our Republic
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I agree, 100%. The Republican party isn't the same you grew up with either. Neither are close to what they were 25 years ago
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
I agree, 100%. The Republican party isn't the same you grew up with either. Neither are close to what they were 25 years ago
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Oh no doubt. Reagan was the height of the Conservative movement.
But I will ALWAYS vote for the party of less government and that race isn’t even remotely closer in 2024.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
Can you recommend a book?? The ones I've read for my GF autistic child fail to outline yanking as a method of controlling movement.
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Your probably not going to find much on “yanking” because if a yank solved the problem you wouldn’t need advice or professional sessions on child restraint as my wife and I have taken. Bipolar is a bitch.

I once “yanked” a blind person (a no no in blind etiquette) who was about to walk right off the air stairs. He didn’t like it but I wasn’t going to have a dead passenger on my hands.

Like I said, nothing burger.
 
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McDad said:
Without question, you can (and will) call it what you want. You certainly don't need permission or agreement with me to use the words you choose. You have been a fairly consistent poster when it comes to words mean things. In that understanding of who you are, I offered a perspective on the term, "loophole".

I have no idea how tax code gets written. But, like you, I suspect it is as much a political process as it is a revenue process. But if those "proxy gift codes" are codes you have used, then you have to take a good hard look in the mirror and come to terms with you benefiting from something 'legal but shouldn't be available to you'.

As an example, if you have used section 179 tax incentives on a vehicles weighing more than 6,000 pounds. I am unable to use that because my vehicle doesn't qualify even though it is as important to my business as yours is to yours. Does that mean you received a proxy gift? I don't think so. I think the code is too narrowly defined and that should be available to all of us regardless of vehicle weight. I have used a loss carry forward to lessen my tax burden. And that may not be a viable option for you. So it cuts both ways in the end.

I don't know why we need to call it something special or inflammatory. I don't think we need to call it loophole, or proxy gifts, or illegal. Just call it what it is, the tax code...even with all its faults, unfairness, and complexity.
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Probably because we’re bored
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Oh no doubt. Reagan was the height of the Conservative movement.
But I will ALWAYS vote for the party of less government and that race isn’t even remotely closer in 2024.
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Yes, Republicans are the lesser of two evils as far a the size of government, but they've been anything but small government for about 25 years now
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Yup, Truman and JFK wouldn’t be able to win the nomination in today’s democrat party. The press might even call them „far right“
I could even consider voting D into the mid 90s. But i believe that Bill Clinton will probably be the last democrat to ever get my vote. The democrat party I grew up with is long long gone and that is a loss for our Republic
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That Bill wouldn’t be a Dem today either.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
I agree.The right has slowly been transitioning to populism and as such, I see it as moving toward the center. The left has ceded their party to their most extreme elements and as such is moving further and further left of center
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The old guard is dying off and the Progressives needed a Trojan horse to get what they wanted. Use the Democrats who can’t let go and in return an overhaul of a party.
 
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