2024 Presidential Race

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OrangeTsar said:
Hey, YOU are the one parroting government press releases right and left. Are you sure YOU want to talk about thinking for yourself?
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I am saying you are believing the dumbest possible tabloid garbage without one single shred of evidence, so yes I’m more than happy to talk about it while the tabloid types continue to provide zero evidence
 
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NashVol11 said:
I am saying you are believing the dumbest possible tabloid garbage without one single shred of evidence, so yes I’m more than happy to talk about it while the tabloid types continue to provide zero evidence
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Yet you constantly use twitter while bashing Elon and complaining about “misinformation”, racism, and whatever else hurts your fragile feelings.
 
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C-south said:
Yet you constantly use twitter while bashing Elon and complaining about “misinformation”, racism, and whatever else hurts your fragile feelings.
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Yes, and you constantly participate in American society while bashing its president, which is totally fine. Any other 30 IQ attempted gotchas you haven’t thought through?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Well we’re talking about whether it’s illegal to kill, execute, or euthanize a baby after birth. Meaning the provider or the parent’s actions or neglect are responsible for the death of a child that is living outside the womb and has the ability to sustain life.

So are you conceding that that’s not legal and now we’re talking just the morality of abortion or are you defending the claim that the fact check was incorrect?

If the latter, what percentage of that “unsure” were aborted because of defects and deformities that were incompatible with sustained life?
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I think another relevant question to ask is this:

What percentage of those defects and deformities that made the later-born infant's condition incompatible with sustained life were caused or inflicted during a late-term abortion procedure.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
That’s an argument against abortion, not related to whether babies are being euthanized after birth.

It seems we’re 1-3 on people actually caring enough about the death of innocents to study the issue. Hat tip to @CobbVol for knowing what he’s talking about. Shame on @Vol8188 @Sandman 423 and you for using tragedy as a political bludgeon.
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You have no idea what you are talking about. My comment was aimed at leftist politicians and how they manipulate the truth.

Also, shame on you for being a condescending prick.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
www.realclearpolling.com

2024 National: Trump vs. Harris | RealClearPolling

2024 National: Trump vs. Harris | RealClearPolling
www.realclearpolling.com www.realclearpolling.com

It still looks like it will be a squeaker, but Harris did get a bump from the debate.
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Kamala's performance was legendary imo. She hurt the Orangeman's ego and absolutely owned the poor SOB. It must have been a late night at Wendy's for the Great President Trump. No worries because that lost battle is going to give Donaldo the fire he so desperately needs to get his groove back!
 
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CobbVol said:
By making that statement, it puts a wrench in the communist/democrat ticket’s gears if trump is fortunate enough to survive and win in November. Reason being they are currently framing up a potentially flawed election with Russian influence to not certify the results and the peaceful transition of power.
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I thought it was against the law to question elections.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
I think another relevant question to ask is this:

What percentage of those defects and deformities that made the later-born infant's condition incompatible with sustained life were caused or inflicted during a late-term abortion procedure.
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Appreciate the reasonable responses. I think that could sometimes be relevant, but it’s a pretty rare set of circumstances, IMO.

If the cause of death was inflicted during a lawful abortion, I’m not sure how often that is relevant to post-birth care decisions or lawfulness.

The percentage of abortions at 21+ weeks is 1%, 24+ weeks is less than 1%. Partly because it’s less safe, partly because it’s legal in fewer places, and partly because of the morals of terminating a viable fetus that doesn’t pose an abnormally high risk of harm.
(The 21-24 week range is relevant because as @NashVol11 pointed put, dragging out the death of a body that can’t sustain life is actually inhumane and there’s no government interest in mandating resuscitation efforts).

Failed abortions resulting in a live birth are also a rarity. So the situations that are relevant to the discussion are a minority fraction of 1% of all abortions.*

That small number is because it’s essentially reserved for unexpected issues: sudden onset, life-threatening maternal conditions like pre-eclampsia and newly detected deformities of the fetus that are incompatible with sustaining life, etc.

In that way, it’s little different than the end-of-life decision of a surviving parent or spouse of a cancer patient or victim of an unexpected stroke who can no longer breath on their own or who is brain dead.

Count me out on punishing people who just had to make those decisions, or adding the fear of punishment to their calculus just to address, at most, a handful of cases that already meet the definition of homicide in all 50 states. Count me in on being a condescending prick to those who go straight to making those people and their providers out to be murderers even though they themselves don’t care enough to learn what the issues are.

* - I haven’t seen a credible number but have OBGYN and family medicine provider contacts and they’ve only seen it in books.
 
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