2024 Presidential Race

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NashVol11 said:
This is misleading, many grad schools don’t have need-based financial aid so the people taking out large loans aren’t just automatically “upper-income” just because they’re in law school/med school
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If I may, maybe the universities should be the holder of the loans. Wouldn't that encourage them to better prepare students for the real world.
 
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me_grag53 said:
If I may, maybe the universities should be the holder of the loans. Wouldn't that encourage them to better prepare students for the real world.
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As long as it's a private entity not backed or guaranteed by us taxpayers IDK who loans the money. I think that if we got the government out of the student loan business we'd see costs plummet.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I just want consistency. If you think Trump is the reason for 1/6 temper tantrum then you believe the democrats speech is responsible for 2 attempts to murder Trump.
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I can also think trumps speech is in part, responsible for the two attempts to murder him.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I just want consistency. If you think Trump is the reason for 1/6 temper tantrum then you believe the democrats speech is responsible for 2 attempts to murder Trump.
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“I just want consistency. If you believe racism is the reason for the assassination of MLK then you believe Scorsese is responsible for the attempted assassination of Ronald Regan.”
 
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BisonVol said:
Prefacing this by saying I’ve not followed the entire conversation.

Trump has always been a whiner about even little things, but let’s be fair, just about anyone would whine if there had been two assassination attempts on one’s life within a five week span. That’s far beyond just being campaigned against.
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No one is condoning the assassination attempts. I just find it laughably ironic that Trump and his pundits are asking his opponents to be "nicer" as they campaign. This from a guy that made his hay on "punching back" douchebaggery and "mean tweets."
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yes, and the pretty girl had it coming to her when she was raped.
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Like most of your takes, this comparison sucks.

It's not a stretch to point at the same incendiary divisive speech that incited the J6 riots as part of the problem of why he's getting shot at.

I'm not condoning attempted murder, but it's completely myopic to not recognize that his vitriol isn't part of the equation.
 
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Septic said:
Like most of your takes, this comparison sucks.

It's not a stretch to point at the same incendiary divisive speech that incited the J6 riots as part of the problem of why he's getting shot at.

I'm not condoning attempted murder, but it's completely myopic to not recognize that his vitriol isn't part of the equation.
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Its not a stretch to point at a pretty girl can contribute as a factor for her being rape. Its just sane people don't blame the victim for something they didn't do wrong.

Yes, you are condoning it. That's the lie. He had it coming.
 
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LouderVol said:
only if the costs are set somewhere else.

and only if the debts can be removed via bankruptcy.
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Cost set by whom? The students are paying to be trained. If the training is not preparing them to earn enough money to make loan payments, aren't the universities the ones failing?
 
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Septic said:
No one is condoning the assassination attempts. I just find it laughably ironic that Trump and his pundits are asking his opponents to be "nicer" as they campaign. This from a guy that made his hay on "punching back" douchebaggery and "mean tweets."
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and despite that hay we haven't seen near the level of violence from his followers compared to the followers of "Joy".

what you are describing is people hating him for his words, that isn't on trump. and once you consider that somehow his "hateful" words aren't creating the same level of response in his followers, it further distances it from being a "Trump" issue, to instead an "Anti-Trump" issue.

now if and hopefully not when Trump's followers start getting violent that argument goes away. but right now we aren't seeing an equal response.
 
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me_grag53 said:
Cost set by whom? The students are paying to be trained. If the training is not preparing them to earn enough money to make loan payments, aren't the universities the ones failing?
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I would agree that would be the universities failing, but I think you are creating a situation where the universities could set it up where they make even more money regardless of success vs failure.

maybe you tie the expected loan payback to that degrees actual success rate as determined and monitored by someone else. if 60% of kids are in the field, or otherwise making use of their degree, after 5 years; the expected loan payback is 60% the amount.

the issue is the universities will just reset the costs so that 60% covers their costs with some margin. which is why I think the value has to be set by someone/something else. maybe the value of the degree is set by the expected wage someone would get with that degree after a time frame.
 
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Septic said:
No one is condoning the assassination attempts. I just find it laughably ironic that Trump and his pundits are asking his opponents to be "nicer" as they campaign. This from a guy that made his hay on "punching back" douchebaggery and "mean tweets."
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What has he said that is on par with " Hitler" and " an existsntial threat to America that he has to be eliminated" and "whatever it takes to keep him out of the white house?
They are the worst pres and vice ever? They are marxists/socialists?(She is just becoming more conservative to get elected, Bernies words.) They want to take your guns? Gender care for illegal immigrants? They want illegals to vote? to Pack the supreme court?
 
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LouderVol said:
I would agree that would be the universities failing, but I think you are creating a situation where the universities could set it up where they make even more money regardless of success vs failure.

maybe you tie the expected loan payback to that degrees actual success rate as determined and monitored by someone else. if 60% of kids are in the field, or otherwise making use of their degree, after 5 years; the expected loan payback is 60% the amount.

the issue is the universities will just reset the costs so that 60% covers their costs with some margin. which is why I think the value has to be set by someone/something else. maybe the value of the degree is set by the expected wage someone would get with that degree after a time frame.
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Are kids going to keep attending failing universities? Value for their buck. Now they have no choice but endure the indoctrination and other nonsense that does what? to make them successful? Actual competition works.
 
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me_grag53 said:
What has he said that is on par with " Hitler" and " an existsntial threat to America that he has to be eliminated" and "whatever it takes to keep him out of the white house?
They are the worst pres and vice ever? They are marxists/socialists?(She is just becoming more conservative to get elected, Bernies words.) They want to take your guns? Gender care for illegal immigrants? They want illegals to vote? to Pack the supreme court?
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Your appeal to emotion is noted. I think you checked all the buzzwords. Well done.
 
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LouderVol said:
I would agree that would be the universities failing, but I think you are creating a situation where the universities could set it up where they make even more money regardless of success vs failure.

maybe you tie the expected loan payback to that degrees actual success rate as determined and monitored by someone else. if 60% of kids are in the field, or otherwise making use of their degree, after 5 years; the expected loan payback is 60% the amount.

the issue is the universities will just reset the costs so that 60% covers their costs with some margin. which is why I think the value has to be set by someone/something else. maybe the value of the degree is set by the expected wage someone would get with that degree after a time frame.
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Curious but how many people you think are steered into colleges who would be much happier and successful attending a trade school.
 
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Septic said:
Your appeal to emotion is noted. I think you checked all the buzzwords. Well done.
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I think that is the point, they're all emotional based. (I assuming your post was sarcasm) Most of what has been going on in this country must be emotional because logic went out the window a long time ago. Which is why we have nutjobs condoning murdering people.

Next up, he deserves to be nuked... he has it coming. What else is left, this country left legal standards, logic, common sense, ethics, and moral standards go a long time ago. (as a generalization)

The insane are running the asylum, and they are increasing pissed off at management which is themselves.
 
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