2024 Recruiting Thread

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youcancallmeAl said:
If money is the death of college athletics, then where is your condemnation of the billions of TV bucks the networks pay the conferences?
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I’d settle for condemnation for jacked up Ticketmaster prices for football? Lack of scholarship offers in baseball and softball?
 
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Majors said:
That’s great to probably most here, except for my child playing college D1 softball with a NIL. She made her choice based on scholarship offer (bribe) to attend their school. Freshman year- room, full meal plan, books. Her NIL was established by her and it helps supplement her monthly needs not covered by her money by the school. And that was a great deal, as many on her team were paying to play.

It also helps to not have to dip into her money her mom and I have set aside for her college. But again, like you said in your first line “it’s unfortunate”.

So like I said, NCAA could have got ahead of this back in the 90’s when they were seeing the movement that they were about to be sued. Probably no need to mention high school kids in the state of Tennessee can benefit off NIL.
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It's bribery--and it's crass. So if another school had offered your daughter a better NIL deal, she'd had gone with that school? Sure, it's good for the players and their families, certainly, but that's not the point. Picking a college based on how much money one school offers in an NIL deal versus others is not the way college and college athletics is supposed to work. It's college. But college athletics has been corrupted by private commercialism.

I'm curious: What does your daughter do for the business with which she has an NIL deal?

There are only a handful of student-athletes at any college who are worth NIL deals at any college. I don't know how many Tennessee student-athletes have such deals, but if there are a lot most will not be good value for the people putting up the money. Indeed, I'm sure there are a lot of players around the country with NIL who aren't even starting on their teams much less stars.

I will say this: I'm less opposed to NIL deals for non-revenue-sports players than I am for football and basketball players, all of whom are getting full rides. It's unfortunate that the NCAA treats non-rev sports badly with its very low scholarship limits that require coaches to offer most everybody only partial aid.
 
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The UT Lady Vols', whether they are self-sustaining or not, averaged an attendance of 8,645 fans per home game this past year. That brings a very high visibility and recognition to UT.

Nationally, the average attendance at a Women's D1 basketball game is about 1,500. Of the 347 D1 programs nationwide, 200 play in front of under 1,000 people. 90 programs play in front of under 500.....You can't equate the visibility and importance of a high profile athlete with one that plays a low visibility sport.

Apples, meet oranges.

Let's just stay right here in VolNation...Of the last 150 posts, at a very quick check
141-Basketball
5-softball
1-volleyball
3-other than these
94% are about THIS non-revenue sport
 
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Coach Jumper said:
The UT Lady Vols', whether they are self-sustaining or not, averaged an attendance of 8,645 fans per home game this past year. That brings a very high visibility and recognition to UT.

Nationally, the average attendance at a Women's D1 basketball game is about 1,500. Of the 347 D1 programs nationwide, 200 play in front of under 1,000 people. 90 programs play in front of under 500.....You can't equate the visibility and importance of a high profile athlete with one that plays a low visibility sport.

Apples, meet oranges.

Let's just stay right here in VolNation...Of the last 150 posts, at a very quick check
141-Basketball
5-softball
1-volleyball
2-other than these
94% are about THIS non-revenue sport
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WCBB at the University of Tennessee is a non revenue sport ?
Can I get a refund on my season tickets ?
 
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Majors said:
That’s great to probably most here, except for my child playing college D1 softball with a NIL. She made her choice based on scholarship offer (bribe) to attend their school. Freshman year- room, full meal plan, books. Her NIL was established by her and it helps supplement her monthly needs not covered by her money by the school. And that was a great deal, as many on her team were paying to play.

It also helps to not have to dip into her money her mom and I have set aside for her college. But again, like you said in your first line “it’s unfortunate”.

So like I said, NCAA could have got ahead of this back in the 90’s when they were seeing the movement that they were about to be sued. Probably no need to mention high school kids in the state of Tennessee can benefit off NIL.
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Majors hope your daughter has injury free and happy time playing softball. No one should like a player getting injuryed. Its ok to cheer a stickout. Or scoring runs on other team pitcher and they go to the bullpen. No real fan wants a player to have injury that live with rest of their lives.
 
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volnationnj said:
WCBB at the University of Tennessee is a non revenue sport ?
Can I get a refund on my season tickets ?
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overall, in WCBB, yes
But for a few marquee universities it is a self-supporting sport and even profitable

in fact, 21 women's teams managed to out-earn their respective school's male counterparts in basketball revenue, though the feat doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things: only three of those women's teams turned a profit last year

www.on3.com

Some financial facts and figures from the 2023 NCAA Women’s Basketball Tournament

Here’s a financial note about one or more schools from each seed line in the NCAA women’s basketball tournament, which begins Friday.
www.on3.com www.on3.com
 
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Memvol44 said:
Who said I opposed anything?
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"Well, then somebody is very foolishly wasting money. The only players who should be getting that kind of money are those who've established themselves as top players in the /conference/. This would be why it's not only corrupt but stupid to give money to prospects."
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
So, a if business employs "amateurs" and pockets the YUGE money amounts with very low compensation to the "amateur" employees, you're cool with that?
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Nobody is "pocketing the money." The money goes back into the athletic department--and the university--to cover all kinds of operating and capital expenses, insurance, travel, the whole nine yards.
 
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turbovol said:
Nobody is "pocketing the money." The money goes back into the athletic department--and the university--to cover all kinds of operating and capital expenses, insurance, travel, the whole nine yards.
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Don't forget the education....
 
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turbovol said:
Silly comment....It's COLLEGE. It's supposed to be school--studying, classes, learning to think, all of which you later use to have what you hope will be a decent or better career. College is not supposed to be about bribing a few kids to come to your college, which is just corruption. But then the "free cash" thing is a big deal to some who've not grown up valuing education.
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While I agree with you, however, NILs are a big thing in recruitment. To get the top players, unless they just want to be a lady vol, NIL deals have to be in consideration for most too recruits.
 
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Golfteacher said:
While I agree with you, however, NILs are a big thing in recruitment. To get the top players, unless they just want to be a lady vol, NIL deals have to be in consideration for most too recruits.
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Of course --there are certainly people who are heavily into being given things, especially money. This all started with activists pushing the nonsensical notion that college players are exploited. It's BS. NIL should be banned as a recruiting vehicle.
 
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turbovol said:
Of course --there are certainly people who are heavily into being given things, especially money. This all started with activists pushing the nonsensical notion that college players are exploited. It's BS. NIL should be banned as a recruiting vehicle.
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It actually started with the EA sports lawsuit. The sporting powers that be had plenty of time to get out in front of this situation but the greedy bastards didn’t. Now they are dealing with the consequences. And largely counting on the fanbases to foot the bill.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
It actually started with the EA sports lawsuit. The sporting powers that be had plenty of time to get out in front of this situation but the greedy bastards didn’t. Now they are dealing with the consequences. And largely counting on the fanbases to foot the bill.
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I'd pin it on the Oklahoma TV lawsuit. Once schools were allowed to freely pursue TV cash, and once companies were allowed to buy the rights to show the brands, they might as well had started measuring the coffin for college athletics as we know it today. It just took everyone a while to dismantle the history of traditions and common sense that protected college athletics from the excesses of corporatization.

The EA sports lawsuit was definitely a fat nail in the coffin though. A symptom of the larger breakdown soon to come.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
It actually started with the EA sports lawsuit. The sporting powers that be had plenty of time to get out in front of this situation but the greedy bastards didn’t. Now they are dealing with the consequences. And largely counting on the fanbases to foot the bill.
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Amazing how many believe this is a new thing. It’s decades old and only cascaded with the increases in everything associated with college athletics.
 
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