2024 Recruiting Thread

[glv98]

Just the part about databasing 5th graders and establishing relationships w 7th graders would make me leave the profession.

 

[Majors]

Just the part about databasing 5th graders and establishing relationships w 7th graders would make me leave the profession.

Anyone endorsing this is whats wrong with youth sports. Let the kids play, develop, learn and grow with the game without coaches and clipboards breaking a kid down before their junior year.

 

[1reVOLver]

We cannot continue to dig the hole deeper. We HAVE to whelm.

First, I agree with your post, entirely.
Next, nitpicking can be fun, so long as we don't take it, or ourselves too seriously.

“We HAVE to whelm.”

Hmmm… but we have been whelming for years.

Our dear friends at Meriam-Webster, those dictionary folks, tell us…

“Whelm and overwhelm have been with us since Middle English (when they were whelmen and overwhelmen), and throughout the years their meanings have largely overlapped. Both words early on meant "to overturn," for example, and both have also come to mean "to overpower in thought or feeling."

After folks started using a third word, underwhelmed, for "unimpressed,"

whelmed began popping up with the meaning "moderately impressed."

Emphasis added.

We have been moderately impressive, as in sweet sixteen impressive, for a while.
Time to move up and overwhelm our way into the final four.

 

[glv98]

First, I agree with your post, entirely.
Next, nitpicking can be fun, so long as we don't take it, or ourselves too seriously.

“We HAVE to whelm.”

Hmmm… but we have been whelming for years.

Our dear friends at Meriam-Webster, those dictionary folks, tell us…

“Whelm and overwhelm have been with us since Middle English (when they were whelmen and overwhelmen), and throughout the years their meanings have largely overlapped. Both words early on meant "to overturn," for example, and both have also come to mean "to overpower in thought or feeling."

After folks started using a third word, underwhelmed, for "unimpressed,"

whelmed began popping up with the meaning "moderately impressed."

Emphasis added.

We have been moderately impressive, as in sweet sixteen impressive, for a while.
Time to move up and overwhelm our way into the final four.

Thanks! Good info. But do you have to whelm before you overwhelm? Can we skip that step? We're about to find out.

 

[1reVOLver]

But do you have to whelm before you overwhelm?

Above my pay grade. (Been retired for a couple decades, so my pay grade is zero.). That's a question for

1) The Philosophy Dept.
2) The Linguistics Dept.
3) Departments of Alchemy and Metaphysics.

Choose one or more of the above. I lean towards #3.

 

[chuckiepoo]

First, I agree with your post, entirely.
Next, nitpicking can be fun, so long as we don't take it, or ourselves too seriously.

“We HAVE to whelm.”

Hmmm… but we have been whelming for years.

Our dear friends at Meriam-Webster, those dictionary folks, tell us…

“Whelm and overwhelm have been with us since Middle English (when they were whelmen and overwhelmen), and throughout the years their meanings have largely overlapped. Both words early on meant "to overturn," for example, and both have also come to mean "to overpower in thought or feeling."

After folks started using a third word, underwhelmed, for "unimpressed,"

whelmed began popping up with the meaning "moderately impressed."

Emphasis added.

We have been moderately impressive, as in sweet sixteen impressive, for a while.
Time to move up and overwhelm our way into the final four.

Thank you for fleshing out the term “whelm”. Noted it as an interesting archaic use.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Some here are insiders. I am not an insider in fact far from it. I'm not an outsider but more of a looker-in. (And for clarity, while I am a Tennessee fan, I owe my full allegiance to a program that shall be nameless ) Here are my thoughts about LV recruiting. I am surprised by the number of offers that are documented by this board. I wonder if there isn't a diminishing margin to the volume of offers. Like inflation is caused by too many dollars available so each dollar becomes less and less valuable. These top players play in the top circuits and all talk to each other. Follow my thought; If I am a top 15 player and I hear that two top 30-40 players, who I crush, have Tennessee offers; How much value do I place in my offer from Tennessee. I know of another program that intentionally makes it appear difficult to get an offer from them.

If I had the ability to create a college recruiting program. I would establish a flock of interns tasked with creating and maintaining a database of players in grades 5, 6, and 7. I would identify by the seventh grade my core 6 to 10 prospects. I would begin to build relationships. I would mail them letters encouraging them to be the best they can be and pointing out that the University of Tennessee only accepts high achievers in the classroom and in society. I would call the coach and ask about the particular player expecting the coach would share that UT called. By 9th grade I would identify 5-6 quality individuals that I must have and begin the full court press of recruiting (getting 1 of those is a win). I want top 10 players talking about UT long before the top 20's. 30's and 40's. Freshman and sophomore year the net broadens to give you a balanced recruiting focus of 12 to 15.

that's all in my perfect world. This is the approach I expected Kellie to have in her first year here.

Recruiting is like fishing
Its called fishing, not, catching
So, the more hook-and-line's in the water, the better chance of landing a fish

 

[Coach Jumper]

Thanks! Good info. But do you have to whelm before you overwhelm? Can we skip that step? We're about to find out.

not necessarily...
we were overwhelmed by USA
and then we were whelmed by Florida State

 

[WinnerCircle]

Just so we are clear. In less than 24 hours you’ve gone from high school rankings don’t matter and are not accurate to writing a thesis on the kids committed and their rankings.

“Are we picking and choosing player rankings now or only when it benefits us? Can’t have it both ways.”

If you’re going to quote a post… first comprehend what I posted.
Second, I ain’t debating with you or anyone else about an opinion.

 

[Majors]

Recruiting is like fishing
Its called fishing, not, catching
So, the more hook-and-line's in the water, the better chance of landing a fish

Unfortunately, if this is charter fishing…we get the picture and throw it back.

 

[chuckiepoo]

Recruiting is like fishing
Its called fishing, not, catching
So, the more hook-and-line's in the water, the better chance of landing a fish

The size of the hook and the size of the bait play a role here too!

 

[Majors]

If you’re going to quote a post… first comprehend what I posted.
Second, I ain’t debating with you or anyone else about an opinion.

Which part ? “Highest rated player that has officially signed out of HS doesn’t mean nothing, the rankings aren’t even accurate and don’t tell the entire story”- WC

 

[Majors]

The size of the hook and the size of the bait play a role here too!

And some say our bait (NIL) is cheap.

 

[chuckiepoo]

And some say our bait (NIL) is cheap.

So hard to tell. Without a clearinghouse for information, it’s innuendo and rumors. We’ve obviously got a deep enough pool to compete in the portal.

 

[Majors]

So hard to tell. Without a clearinghouse for information, it’s innuendo and rumors. We’ve obviously got a deep enough pool to compete in the portal.

That’s accurate and why I don’t buy into the spin when a kid opts elsewhere. Tennessee has enough resources to secure anyone.

 

[NeedOrange]

Recruiting is like fishing
Its called fishing, not, catching
So, the more hook-and-line's in the water, the better chance of landing a fish

Thank you for making my point. You don't want ANY OLD fish. Recruiting is more like big game hunting. You have to stalk the target not wait for a nibble. But then again you probably consider rabbit big game.

 

[Coach Jumper]

Thank you for making my point. You don't want ANY OLD fish. Recruiting is more like big game hunting. You have to stalk the target not wait for a nibble. But then again you probably consider rabbit big game.

 

[lvocd]

Unfortunately, if this is charter fishing…we get the picture and throw it back.

That was clever! lol

 

[FormerLadyVolFan]

If you mean NIL 'resources' you are wrong...

That’s accurate and why I don’t buy into the spin when a kid opts elsewhere. Tennessee has enough resources to secure anyone.

 

[Majors]

If you mean NIL 'resources' you are wrong...

Whatever you believe. We are not Tennessee Tech

 

[LasVegasBill23]

Says who? Talaysia Cooper transferred to Tennessee right after this player left.
T.Coop was a 5-star McD All-American.
Finley Chastain, Nyla Brooks, and Kaniya Boyd all are highly rated prospects still in HS.

Highest rated player that has officially signed out of HS doesn’t mean nothing, the rankings aren’t even accurate and don’t tell the entire story.

And had Talaysia Cooper signed with Tennessee or any other school outside of South Carolina who had 6 WNBA draft picks last season she would’ve played a lot of minutes as a freshman.
If it had been TN which was her next choice, we would’ve been having a completely different conversation because GAME COMMENTATORS have spoken highly of T.Coop ability just from watching her pre-game and practice scout reps.
Stop blaming the coach for this player’s decision(s).

Well as for the 5 star McDonalds AA, we have had a few of those come here and not make much of a real difference. It is up to recruit and coach a team..... get them to know each other, play with each other, etc. Ideally you would like interchangable parts. I think we are shallow in team depth i am hopeful for good season, but realistic

 

[Memvol44]

That’s accurate and why I don’t buy into the spin when a kid opts elsewhere. Tennessee has enough resources to secure anyone.

So, they just don't like Kellie...just say it..bash all you want...so tiring

 

[Majors]

So, they just don't like Kellie...just say it..bash all you want...so tiring

Can only spin excuses so much before you have to get to the common denominator.

 

[Dak1219]

Can only spin excuses so much before you have to get to the common denominator.

How about 5th-year seniors and no promise of playing time? Sounds ligit and a turnoff to high school "Miss Everythings" that are used to playing 30+ minutes per game. I don't think Kellie would make empty promises whereas there are a lot of coaches that will say whatever they need to, to get a player to sign and then re-nigg later.

 

[VolFuture]

How about 5th-year seniors and no promise of playing time? Sounds ligit and a turnoff to high school "Miss Everythings" that are used to playing 30+ minutes per game. I don't think Kellie would make empty promises whereas there are a lot of coaches that will say whatever they need to, to get a player to sign and then re-nigg later.

See JP vs TD