2nd Tier

#52
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25801VOL said:
Today Auburn showed why they play for championships bothering SEC and NCAA. Auburn made an aggressive move and have one of the best two coaches (if you looked at both of them together) in the nation coaching revenue producing sports.

Auburn isn't afraid of NCAA, and showed all of the SEC that the health of their athletics is critical to the success of their university.

Auburn and Tennessee have both had NCAA compliance issues, both fired football coaches (Tubberville/Fulmer) and had to rehire coaches after their initial coach was fired. Auburn has done a tremendous job, winning and playing for BCS while we struggle to break .500 (and haven't for 3 years).

This isn't a butch jones post. I believe in Butch and think he was/is the right man for the job. It's a overall operational question.

My point is WTF, why does my university choose to be 2nd tier?
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Auburn has people that work for the NCAA. They get out of a lot of stuff
 
#53
#53
overseasorange said:
Who cares?
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OBVIOUSLY, those of us with reading comprehension skills, those of us that can differentiate between a round orange basketball (and the coaches associated with it); and an oblong brown football (and the coaches associated with it). Some of us, myself being the main one, could give exactly 1/100 of a damn about basketball and think it's one of the most overrated, boring, mundane "sports" in existence. There's a forum for basketball talk, and there's a forum for football talk. This is the football forum. If you want to talk Vols basketball, see yourself out.


In layman's terms, which I'm sure you'll understand better: "YOU'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE, MORON."
 
#54
#54
1allvol said:
I don't really know or understand either, but It seems from everything I have learned over the last 4 years that Jimmy Cheek has a much bigger say-so than I ever thought he did. I had always heard so much about the "big time boosters", I am starting to believe that either they have different opinions about where we are in UT Athletics, or they don't really carry as much clout as we were led to think they do.
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I have been saying for 3 years now that Cheeks is the real problem at UT. He is the one responsible for our current situation with the athletic dept.
 
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DeusExMachina said:
OBVIOUSLY, those of us with reading comprehension skills, those of us that can differentiate between a round orange basketball (and the coaches associated with it); and an oblong brown football (and the coaches associated with it). Some of us, myself being the main one, could give exactly 1/100 of a damn about basketball and think it's one of the most overrated, boring, mundane "sports" in existence. There's a forum for basketball talk, and there's a forum for football talk. This is the football forum. If you want to talk Vols basketball, see yourself out.


In layman's terms, which I'm sure you'll understand better: "YOU'RE IN THE WRONG PLACE, MORON."
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:Since you are in Germany, Why don't you go back to chewing on your German Sausage?....:)
 
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volboy81 said:
Keep in mind this is the first "good" hire Auburn has made in BB in almost 20 yrs & they've also hired some bone-head FB coaches recently (Bowden. & Chizek)
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Your examples of the "bone-head FB coaches" they've hired are a guy who had an undefeated season his first year and a guy who won a national championship (and neither of whom posted more losing seasons there than Butch Jones has here already)? Seriously? We should make such bone-headed hires.
 
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#57
except for some brief periods in the history of certain programs, every school in the sec except kentucky has been a second tier basketball program. well, i could make a case for arkansas, but they happen to be dormant in the last decade or so....while historically being good.

so crying about being a 2nd tier basketball program seems a little harsh, because that's what tennessee has always been. bruce changed that for a brief period of time and everyone is disappointed, understandably, that it hasn't been sustained.

however, again, don't act like this is the first time the tennessee athletic program has struggled fielding great men's basketball teams.

there are bad hires that everyone can see from a mile away. hello, derek dooley. however, a lot of times a hire makes a lot of sense and still fails.

did alabama show a lack of commitment to basketball with the hire of anthony grant? grant was a hot coaching commodity at the time. because he has failed, did that mean they were not committed?

there are very few guarantees in life.

when florida hired billy donovan, he was 31 years old. he coached two years as a head coach at marshall. how the hell did anyone know what florida had? on paper, it was an extremely risky and dumb hire. donovan had never taken a team to the ncaa tournament and only had two years running a program. couldn't florida, with all their resources at the exact peak of football revenue for that time period, have hired a coach with a better resume? did that hire mean that florida wasn't committed to basketball success?

no one wants to hear the truth, but the reality is in a lot of instances....plain, old fashioned luck is involved.

if i recall, rich rodriguez could have been the head coach at alabama? instead, they ended up with some guy named saban.
 
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oldfartvol said:
Just for perspective, CDD did it once that season, Bama did it THREE times.
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Bama could have done it 30 times and it still wouldn't have had the impact it did on us. With that win....Dooley might still be in Knoxville.

Very thankful for whoever called the 5-3-5 on that play.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
I guess when my University hires people such as Hammy and Pearl, an incompetent and a lier, we end up being less than what we want. One can not put this on Hart. It belongs on the shoulders of Hammy and Pearl. Hart will make the correct decisions when the time comes. He did a very nice job in hiring Coach Jones and He will do a good job in hiring a new basketball coach when one is needed. anyone with any intelligence would not fire a basketball coach who is averaging 20 wins a season. What coach would follow a coach with Martins record without feting that he would be fired if he did no better. Lets get off the high horse and show a little reasoning before we make fools of ourselves.
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If you don't believe that every single coach in major college sports is a liar then you are living in a fantasy world. Every single one of them bend the rules, Bruce Pearl just happened to get caught, then crucified by the NCAA.
 
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