3 Football players arrested

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SaintLouisVol said:
Between my professional obligations and personal situations, I have probably gotten to be somewhere between close acquaintances and decent friends with at least 10-12 police officers in the last 20 years. A few of them did or still do work for the KCSO.

There's not a single one of them that I believe would have this attitude or intent. In fact, one of the KCSO guys I know is among the most orange-blooded there is.

Further, explain to me exactly how arresting UT football players endears the department to the good residents of East Tennessee? I would think that more than not would just as soon they didn't. Wouldn't you?
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Not saying your friends are like that. I personally have a few friends in the KPD. It just seems so silly to 1) bring 12 cars to a college party even after a few calls. 2) AJ has been a poster child for the past 3 years and suddenly he is a thug? Jst doesnt add up
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Not saying your friends are like that. I personally have a few friends in the KPD. It just seems so silly to 1) bring 12 cars to a college party even after a few calls. 2) AJ has been a poster child for the past 3 years and suddenly he is a thug? Jst doesnt add up
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He is not a "thug" just immature. As a Sr he should set the example. Be a TEAM player. Get your underage teammates out of the party. That's being a leader.
 
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Shakinthefat said:
He is not a "thug" just immature. As a Sr he should set the example. Be a TEAM player. Get your underage teammates out of the party. That's being a leader.
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Hindsight is 2020 im sure but its a college party amd the KCSO decided to go completely overboard with this. I have never heard of a college party being raided in knoxville by 12 freaking cars. The whole thing is being overblown and like I said if it were just some band geeks like myself there wouldnt have been 12 cars and wouldn't have even made the news. Band kids are also "ambassadors" for the college
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Hindsight is 2020 im sure but its a college party amd the KCSO decided to go completely overboard with this. I have never heard of a college party being raided in knoxville by 12 freaking cars. The whole thing is being overblown and like I said if it were just some band geeks like myself there wouldnt have been 12 cars and wouldn't have even made the news. Band kids are also "ambassadors" for the college
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The band had a good year last year, would have performed well at halftime of the bowl game. Bet the band director would rain holy terror if a Sr trombone player watched the underage, ambassadors who are early signees/freshman flute players get wasted and not do nothing to protect them. Sometimes you have to stand up and be a Leader.
 
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The reality is that the purpose of drinking alcohol is to loosen up, to say and do things one would not ordinarily do and say, to act a little foolish and have fun...without ruining the entire experience. There is an art and a science in the doing of it. It's like Letterman said, "No one injured, no one arrested." The five dollar rule is a good start. If it costs five bucks, know that it costs five bucks and don't break it. Getting thrown in the slammer costs more than five bucks.
 
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How many cars should they have brought to handle a party of over 90 people, including several that were underage and clearly intoxicated?

Situations like that can escalate quickly, so they typically want a lot of police there. I've seen 2 cops try to stop a massive party, it didn't go to well for them...and then, there were like 50 cops there, and the party was over quickly
 
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CNCVol88 said:
Not saying your friends are like that. I personally have a few friends in the KPD. It just seems so silly to 1) bring 12 cars to a college party even after a few calls. 2) AJ has been a poster child for the past 3 years and suddenly he is a thug? Jst doesnt add up
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Cops can't do their job without control or at least the illusion of the control. If there were 90 people at the party, I think I'd want more than a couple of guys there to help me. Remember that they had already been called there once. The fact that they had to return already showed a disregard for authority.

Further, 12 cops (or 24 if they ride 2 up) is to benefit of all involved. The more cops that were there, the harder it is for them to lie. If it was just one or two, the opportunity for false allegations goes way up.

Police officers are people. They are people put in the position of making very quick decisions in conditions where people are often at their worst. They're going to screw up at times. But, I am not willing to accept allegations that they sensationalized the incident for some reason nor accept that they instigated it.

If you are a UT football player and underage, drinking at a big, loud party is already a risk. Again, we can debate the "they're just being college students" until the end of time, but not supporting a law does not not exempt you from being subject to it. It was a serious error in judgement on their part. The fact that they didn't scoot once the police showed the first time is straight up stupid.

If you are a UT football player and of legal drinking age, and you are drinking with (and by default providing to) underage teammates, you are at least equally stupid.

Every one of them put himself in a position for something bad to happen. Well, it did. So, they're on the hook for it.
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Cops can't do their job without control or at least the illusion of the control. If there were 90 people at the party, I think I'd want more than a couple of guys there to help me. Remember that they had already been called there once. The fact that they had to return already showed a disregard for authority.

Further, 12 cops (or 24 if they ride 2 up) is to benefit of all involved. The more cops that were there, the harder it is for them to lie. If it was just one or two, the opportunity for false allegations goes way up.

Police officers are people. They are people put in the position of making very quick decisions in conditions where people are often at their worst. They're going to screw up at times. But, I am not willing to accept allegations that they sensationalized the incident for some reason nor accept that they instigated it.

If you are a UT football player and underage, drinking at a big, loud party is already a risk. Again, we can debate the "they're just being college students" until the end of time, but not supporting a law does not not exempt you from being subject to it. It was a serious error in judgement on their part. The fact that they didn't scoot once the police showed the first time is straight up stupid.

If you are a UT football player and of legal drinking age, and you are drinking with (and by default providing to) underage teammates, you are at least equally stupid.

Every one of them put himself in a position for something bad to happen. Well, it did. So, they're on the hook for it.
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Anybody that disagrees with this post is only acting like a Bama homer. I live in Alabubba and every time this happens to them all these hicks down here start blaming the cops. Hell... when the three players got arrested for robbing the student you should've heard the excuses!
 
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SaintLouisVol said:
Cops can't do their job without control or at least the illusion of the control. If there were 90 people at the party, I think I'd want more than a couple of guys there to help me. Remember that they had already been called there once. The fact that they had to return already showed a disregard for authority.

Further, 12 cops (or 24 if they ride 2 up) is to benefit of all involved. The more cops that were there, the harder it is for them to lie. If it was just one or two, the opportunity for false allegations goes way up.

Police officers are people. They are people put in the position of making very quick decisions in conditions where people are often at their worst. They're going to screw up at times. But, I am not willing to accept allegations that they sensationalized the incident for some reason nor accept that they instigated it.

If you are a UT football player and underage, drinking at a big, loud party is already a risk. Again, we can debate the "they're just being college students" until the end of time, but not supporting a law does not not exempt you from being subject to it. It was a serious error in judgement on their part. The fact that they didn't scoot once the police showed the first time is straight up stupid.

If you are a UT football player and of legal drinking age, and you are drinking with (and by default providing to) underage teammates, you are at least equally stupid.

Every one of them put himself in a position for something bad to happen. Well, it did. So, they're on the hook for it.
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That is a really solid post! It's to bad others don't see it that way.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
Anybody that disagrees with this post is only acting like a Bama homer. I live in Alabubba and every time this happens to them all these hicks down here start blaming the cops. Hell... when the three players got arrested for robbing the student you should've heard the excuses!
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I can imagine..
 
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SIAP...just saw the "Busted" newspaper at a Shell gas station in Gatlinburg and Johnson's mug was the first pic listed...and I know I'm bound to get trolled for not letting it all just die. Believe me I hate it as much as any Vol fan. I'm only posting to inform, not to provoke anything further. Don't shoot the messenger.
 
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It's kind of like a big yearbook for after you get out of high school. I always find myself looking through being like "I always wondered what happened to her...looks like Meth did."
 
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So you aren't trolling huh? What would you call it? This has been talked about non stop for a week, do you think reminding about a picture that is a week old and was posted on this very site for at least three days is not trying to stir the pot?
 
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skasper06 said:
SIAP...just saw the "Busted" newspaper at a Shell gas station in Gatlinburg and Johnson's mug was the first pic listed...and I know I'm bound to get trolled for not letting it all just die. Believe me I hate it as much as any Vol fan. I'm only posting to inform, not to provoke anything further. Don't shoot the messenger.
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I've always found that rag and others like it distasteful. Anyone who trades in exploiting pain and embarrassment is on my list of lowlifes, far more than 90% of those featured since by far most are featured for the most petty of offenses. Putting a college kid as the first mughsot listed when they always go in alphabetical order tells you all you need to know.

Since we live in a world of innocent until proven guilty I think jails should refrain from listing the photographs those arrested but not convicted on their websites (it's fine to show mugshots of those housed there after conviction) and that news outlets shouldn't run photos of those arrested but who've yet to set foot in court -- once they go to trial, a jury is already empaneled and so they're not going to be influenced by pre-trial mugshots that make everyone look guilty as sin. JMO.

I don't like the idea of the state posting these and like even less media running them and mugshot industry making bank from them. It's easy enough in this day and age to use either a driver's license photo alternative, find a photo online of just about anyone, or wait to take a photo at trial. JMO.
 
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UTProf said:
I've always found that rag and others like it distasteful. Anyone who trades in exploiting pain and embarrassment is on my list of lowlifes, far more than 90% of those featured since by far most are featured for the most petty of offenses. Putting a college kid as the first mughsot listed when they always go in alphabetical order tells you all you need to know.

Since we live in a world of innocent until proven guilty I think jails should refrain from listing the photographs those arrested but not convicted on their websites (it's fine to show mugshots of those housed there after conviction) and that news outlets shouldn't run photos of those arrested but who've yet to set foot in court -- once they go to trial, a jury is already empaneled and so they're not going to be influenced by pre-trial mugshots that make everyone look guilty as sin. JMO.

I don't like the idea of the state posting these and like even less media running them and mugshot industry making bank from them. It's easy enough in this day and age to use either a driver's license photo alternative, find a photo online of just about anyone, or wait to take a photo at trial. JMO.
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I agree for the most part. But, I still look for some reason.
 
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