3rd Party Ticket?

#101
#101
Rasputin_Vol said:
How is that winning? A commie is in the White House and the best effort the GOP trots out there is a centrist...:ermm:
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Right now it's the only choice you have and would only give you you ammunition for 2012 (assuming McCain does go back on his word and fails). That's the closest you are going to get to a win.
 
#102
#102
The concern seems to be that 4 years of McCain may dishearten the conservatives in the party - leading to an overall step towards the middle/left as their voices quieten out of frustration. At the same time, it would weaken the party, allowing the Dems to gain an even stronger hold of the situation. On the other hand, the hope seems to be that 4 years of Hillary would so annoy the Republican party that a mini-conservative revolution might be sparked.

I'm not sure I buy either...but I don't reject it either.
 
#103
#103
Rasputin_Vol said:
The base will not be energized and many will sit home.
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I'm not a McCain fan at all . . . but the "suicide conservatives" need to get a grip and figure out a way to vote for him unless they want Hillary Clinton proposing tax increases and appointing Supreme Court justices. There are no perfect candidates.
 
#104
#104
Rasputin_Vol said:
The base will not be energized and many will sit home. Plus, McCain would move the Republic in the same direction as Hillary/Obama, just not as quickly.
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Perhaps the polls are wrong, but McCain polls a lot better against both Dems than Romney did. McCain attacks Obama's independent votes and Hillary seems to scare enough conservatives into voting....at least that is how the polls looked about a week ago.
 
#105
#105
Mullet Vol said:
Would you rather have McCain that goes back on his word or Hillary/Obama? I would pick the former b/c at least we have a chance with McCain. We already know what we will get with Hillary/Obama.

Either way it will unite the party and especially the conservatives.
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Well,you can play that lesser of two evils game all you want. You are treating this election just like the Dems treated 2004 election (Anybody but Bush). Essentially, you'll support anybody that opposes Clinton. Instead of having a candidate that you want to actually vote FOR, you're choosing to vote AGAINST, Hillary.

It was corny and loopy when the Dems did it, and it's loopy now. The GOP has sold out on all of the priniciples they ran on in 1994. The Contract with America is a distant memory...
 
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#106
TennTradition said:
The concern seems to be that 4 years of McCain may dishearten the conservatives in the party - leading to an overall step towards the middle/left as their voices quieten out of frustration. At the same time, it would weaken the party, allowing the Dems to gain an even stronger hold of the situation. On the other hand, the hope seems to be that 4 years of Hillary would so annoy the Republican party that a mini-conservative revolution might be sparked.

I'm not sure I buy either...but I don't reject it either.
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IMO that's a chance I don't want to take.
 
#107
#107
Rasputin_Vol said:
Well,you can play that lesser of two evils game all you want. You are treating this election just like the Dems treated 2004 election (Anybody but Bush). Essentially, you'll support anybody that opposes Clinton. Instead of having a candidate that you want to actually vote FOR, you're choosing to vote AGAINST, Hillary.

It was corny and loopy when the Dems did it, and it's loopy now. The GOP has sold out on all of the priniciples they ran on in 1994. The Contract with America is a distant memory...
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Well, I voted against Kerry in 2004 and not for GW, so why not do it again. It's sad, but that's what we have been faced with it seems.

I'm not going to sit at home and allow a pro-choice, anti-war commie win the presidency. Plus, I don't oppose McCain on every issue like others do.
 
#108
#108
GAVol said:
I'm not a McCain fan at all . . . but the "suicide conservatives" need to get a grip and figure out a way to vote for him unless they want Hillary Clinton proposing tax increases and appointing Supreme Court justices. There are no perfect candidates.
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Outside of supporting the war, I haven't seen one issue that McCain has that is "conservative". Open borders to Mexico, no drilling for oil in ANWR, no fiscal plan, seemingly no plans on changing the drunken spending that Bush has started...
 
#109
#109
Man, I never thought the day would come where I would be hoping for a polarizing GOP candidate like Newt or dare I say Jeff Sessions. Heck, I would take Sam Nunn or Zell Miller over McCain...
 
#111
#111
Rasputin_Vol said:
Outside of supporting the war, I haven't seen one issue that McCain has that is "conservative". Open borders to Mexico, no drilling for oil in ANWR, no fiscal plan, seemingly no plans on changing the drunken spending that Bush has started...
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He's now come out for making the Bush tax cuts permanent, securing the border and cutting the corporate tax rate. Whatever you think of McCain, he's definitely to the right of anything else on the ballot.
 
#112
#112
I will save my final judgement on McCain when he picks his running mate. If he picks a true conservative then I will know he is at least making an attempt to unite the party.
 
#113
#113
GAVol said:
He's now come out for making the Bush tax cuts permanent, securing the border and cutting the corporate tax rate. Whatever you think of McCain, he's definitely to the right of anything else on the ballot.
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Not hard for a centrist like McCain to be to the right of 2 commies. I've never questioned whether McCain was to their right, it's just that he's still pulling us in the wrong direction. It's like It's like taking I-75 southbound from Chattanooga to try to get to Neyland Stadium. Hillary is driving at 100 mph and McCain is driving the speed limit... still taking the country the wrong way, just a matter of how fast we're going.

But whatever. Hopefully, somebody gets mad enough in 2012 and runs against McCain in the GOP primaries.
 
#115
#115
All this is purely talk in front of a bunch of p*ssed off conservatives. If he does it, no one will be happier than me, but don't hold your breath.
 
#116
#116
GAVol said:
He's now come out for making the Bush tax cuts permanent, securing the border and cutting the corporate tax rate. Whatever you think of McCain, he's definitely to the right of anything else on the ballot.
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Forgive me if I don't believe his new and improved border stance (haven't read all his comments on it). Spent a few years listening to him and it's hard to find any part of his history that backs that up.
 
#117
#117
There are just no good options in the race, Going back to the topic of this thread, I wish there could be a strong 3rd party to step up, do not see it happening but one day there will be a true revolution in this country and it will occur after we realize that our govt and our tax dollars keep going to provide benifits such as welfare, healthcare, retirement, education and all systems are broken and abused. If we get a universal healthcare our tax rate will be 40%+ within 5-10 years, look at other places.
 
#118
#118
I'm really on the fence here. McCain seems to get off on spiting the GOP and the Conservative Movement in general, but now he's kissing its ass.

I don't nessecarily disagree with McCain/Feingold, but i don't think it is constitutionally acceptable. In an America where TV commercials during American Idol carry more weight with alot of people than listening to debates and looking into actual substance, there might be a point there.

The Immigration thing gets me riled. I make a damned good living doing a job that the Left says "Americans don't want to do". It's a slap in the face of everyone whose family came here and did things the right way, naturalized themselves, learned the language, and assimilated into society.

I think he's a straight shooter, but i really can't agree with him on the substance issues. Things like Abortion and Gay Marriage mean about as much to me as who wins the National Duck Pin Bowling title, but i think the GOP is alienating voters that feel the same in favor of the religious right.
 
#119
#119
JTrainDavis said:
I'm really on the fence here. McCain seems to get off on spiting the GOP and the Conservative Movement in general, but now he's kissing its ass.

I don't nessecarily disagree with McCain/Feingold, but i don't think it is constitutionally acceptable. In an America where TV commercials during American Idol carry more weight with alot of people than listening to debates and looking into actual substance, there might be a point there.

The Immigration thing gets me riled. I make a damned good living doing a job that the Left says "Americans don't want to do". It's a slap in the face of everyone whose family came here and did things the right way, naturalized themselves, learned the language, and assimilated into society.

I think he's a straight shooter, but i really can't agree with him on the substance issues. Things like Abortion and Gay Marriage mean about as much to me as who wins the National Duck Pin Bowling title, but i think the GOP is alienating voters that feel the same in favor of the religious right.
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It's not the Left saying that. I've heard Limbaugh and Hannity say it on many occasions.
 
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