4 years of Wayne Chism vs. 1 year of DeMarcus Cousins

#26
#26
AirVol3 said:
Cousins is gonna get kicked out of atleast 6 NBA games because he cant control his period when the call doesnt go his way. he's also gonna set the record for more technical fouls in one season by a rookie.
these are NBA refs NOT SEC refs,the refs in the SEC let him get away with everything and these NBA refs wont take the crap he got away with in college
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Seriously? have you watched an NBA game the refs just sit there and only if someone throws a punch or drops the f bomb on the ref do they get thrown out. which happens more often than it would seem. Regardless, NBA refs are in no way better than college officials
 
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Volman93 said:
Seriously? have you watched an NBA game the refs just sit there and only if someone throws a punch or drops the f bomb on the ref do they get thrown out. which happens more often than it would seem. Regardless, NBA refs are in no way better than college officials
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did you not see SEC refs when kentucky played? NBA refs>>>>>>>SEC refs
 
#29
#29
I would take a team of Wayne Chisms any day of the week. And 4 years of a player full of talent and heart that happens to only make it to the Elite 8 is WAY better than a player who is hyped beyond belief and uses our school only as a stepping stone to the next level, who may happen to get us to the Final 4 on his way out the door.

Chism. Any day. I'm gonna miss that guy.
 
#30
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
The two are not comparable. Totally different style of game, totally different flow.
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tell that to mississippi state,alabama,georgia and florida.
the rest of your games were pretty called tightly but questionable. the games above were obvious kentucky loving refs
 
#31
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AirVol3 said:
tell that to mississippi state,alabama,georgia and florida.
the rest of your games were pretty called tightly but questionable. the games above were obvious kentucky loving refs
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Right. The above examples are obviously in direct correlation to college refs vs NBA refs.

Everything doesn't have to be UK vs UT.
 
#32
#32
Chism all the way.

I couldn't stand Cousins this year. I couldn't imagine 4 years of Cousin...
 
#34
#34
Hardwood_fanatic said:
Right. The above examples are obviously in direct correlation to college refs vs NBA refs.

Everything doesn't have to be UK vs UT.
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right so Cousins will not get his way like he did in college games
he will be good no doubt but the calls he got in college in SEC games will no longer be available to him in the NBA.
i hope he can mature fast
 
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#35
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AirVol3 said:
right so Cousins will not get his way like he did in college games
he will be good no doubt but the calls he got in college in SEC games will no longer save him in the NBA.
i hope he can matures fast
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The NBA is a physical league. The contact will be anything more than he has ever experienced. He may struggle at first with not getting calls, however he certainly physically strong enough to adapt. The kid will be fine. He has all the skill sets.

If anyone uses the excuse of "maturity" or "headcase", then they are clueless. The NBA is full of egotistical headcases who make all-start teams year in and year out.
 
#36
#36
Without a doubt Chism....Cousins is a good player, just a piss poor attitude....Chism is by far more of a team player, while Cousins is a me player....its not even close
 
#38
#38
I love Wayne, went to see him in the PIT last weekend to see him play one more time, but why even ask this question of this board? I have a feeling you might not get too many unbiased answers.

I also think it has a lot to do with the rest of the team surrounding them. Cousins was dominant at times this year but I think he could've been Carmelo one and done good if he would've been surrounded by a team of upper classmen.
 
#39
#39
I would take Chism. No way Cousins could have grabbed this team and carried them through the rough stretch like Wayne did.
 
#41
#41
Hardwood_fanatic said:
Hindsight is 20/20. If your choosing between the two up front and unbiased, the choice is obvious.

Also, its two different types of player. Chism is a great player, but Cousins is also a guy who changes a program. Two different dynamics.

However, with the parameters specified by the OP, I would take Chism as well.
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You don't think Chism changed UT's program? He certainly had more impact on UT than Cousins did on UK. Not only was Chism great at UT, he was a role model and example to future UT players. Neither Wall or Cousins had that type of impact.

Cousins was impressive but his numbers are inflated due to the inequality of the officiating that went in his favor. I have never seen a guy commit so many loose ball falls and not get called for them. He got ridiculous calls in his favor all year and then whined and complained when faced with any adversity.

The only time I truly respected Cousins was when he had the sense to break up a potential fight late in the season. Cousins is a dominant inside force and has more NBA potential but Chism had an overall bigger impact on games. Our offense flowed through Chis and he provided 3 pt shooting, great passing, rebounding, defense and leadership.
 
#42
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gainesvol82 said:
You don't think Chism changed UT's program? He certainly had more impact on UT than Cousins did on UK. Not only was Chism great at UT, he was a role model and example to future UT players. Neither Wall or Cousins had that type of impact.

Cousins was impressive but his numbers are inflated due to the inequality of the officiating that went in his favor. I have never seen a guy commit so many loose ball falls and not get called for them. He got ridiculous calls in his favor all year and then whined and complained when faced with any adversity.

The only time I truly respected Cousins was when he had the sense to break up a potential fight late in the season. Cousins is a dominant inside force and has more NBA potential but Chism had an overall bigger impact on games. Our offense flowed through Chis and he provided 3 pt shooting, great passing, rebounding, defense and leadership.
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First of all, I won't engage in discussions about officials and favoritism, because its all biased and flawed. Thats not relative to the argument, IMO.

I did say at the end of my post that I would have chosen Chism as well. Perhaps I should elaborate on what I meant by "program changer".

Basically, it comes down to the status of your program on the national level. Are you recruiting high enough to bring in guys that are game changers in one season, or are you looking for 4 year projects? (not saying Wayne was a project). Chism is a player that needed 3-4 years to really mature. He turned out to be a special player, but it took some time. There are a lot of players out there that turn into great 4 year players.

Cousins is the type of guy that comes in and can literally change a program in one season, which is the difference between the two, IMO.

Its just a weird comparison to compare a guys 4 year career against another kids 1 year. Especially, when the latter would totally eclipse the other if he stayed in school 4 years.

I love Wayne Chism as a player, and if I had to choose between 4 years of Wayne or 1 of Cousins, I take Wayne. All I'm saying is that its not a fair comparison of the caliber of the player, which some make it out to be.

Hope that helps.
 
#43
#43
Hardwood_fanatic said:
Cousins is the type of guy that comes in and can literally change a program in one season, which is the difference between the two, IMO.
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Cousins by himself would not have changed the UK program. Being surrounded by NBA talent definitely did
 
#44
#44
utvolpj said:
Cousins by himself would not have changed the UK program. Being surrounded by NBA talent definitely did
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I'm not talking about UK only, lets broaden the scope a little here guys. I'm talking college basketball in general, basically referring to basically any school that landed him.

Imagine a team (UT) who gets a new coach (Pearl) and is looking to bust on the national stage in a hurry. You can bring in a guy who might be a great player in 3 or 4 years, or you can bring in a guy who literally can put the program on his shoulders in one season.

Cousins practically averaged a double/double all season, in only 23 minutes per game, on a team stacked with NBA talent. If you bring him into a program with not much talent that would ride him for all he's worth, the kid could put up 25 and 10 every night. That would change a program in a hurry, especially one who has been lingering in the void of mediocrity for several years.

Chism averaged 9 and 5 as a freshman. Thats not horrible, but its not the production that you get from Cousins.

Again, the 4 years against 1 argument makes me choose CHISM as well. I'm just trying to make a point.

I wish everyone would take away the bias and quit looking at this as UT vs. UK. I'm not trying to defend the UK program, I'm just talking logic.
 
#46
#46
4 years of Chism . Tenn likely couldn't afford the 1 year Kentucky paid to get Cousins.

but.......

I actually pretty much agree with Hardwood on most of his points. Although Cousins by hiimself did not change the program at kentucky.
 
#47
#47
utvolpj said:
Cousins by himself would not have changed the UK program. Being surrounded by NBA talent definitely did
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You don't get a Cousins unless you're bringing in other NBA-bound talent, so there's something to consider.

But, in a vacuum, I think the majority of people would take Chism. Good question, had me thinking for a bit.
 
#48
#48
On this board everybody will say Chism. On UK board everybody will say Cousins. There is not enough objectivity for this to be any kind of a valid discussion.
 
#49
#49
Well, for all his recruiting success, or his mix of recruiting success and recruiting sleaziness, Cal has never won a title. This is college: We should want guys who want to stay in school. CAl's approach is completely mercenary. Coach K at Duke is the anti-Cal by the way, and he just won title no. 4.
 
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