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It's probably out there some where and I've missed it, but I have never seen 40 times listed for the football team. You see it with recruits and at the combine, but it seems that they stop timing 40's in college. You would think that they would have some times coming out of winter or summer conditioning. Just curious.
 
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Tell me when the last time you saw a college football player wear shorts and nothing else run for 40 yards in a straight line and how that's relevant to football.

There's a bit more to it than that.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Tell me when the last time you saw a college football player wear shorts and nothing else run for 40 yards in a straight line and how that's relevant to football.

There's a bit more to it than that.
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It gives a baseline to judge top speed
 
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Boca Vol said:
Tell me when the last time you saw a college football player wear shorts and nothing else run for 40 yards in a straight line and how that's relevant to football.

There's a bit more to it than that.
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Speed seems pretty relevant to me IMO.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Tell me when the last time you saw a college football player wear shorts and nothing else run for 40 yards in a straight line and how that's relevant to football.

There's a bit more to it than that.
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A few simple questions concerning last night's championship game that may assist in a correlation between speed and winning ...

Do you think that the 40 time in shorts mattered for the FSU special teams player who took that fake punt reverse for 5 yards getting past the tackler's reach by inches?

Do you think a TE with "4.75 speed in shorts" makes that corner, the first down, and prevents an absolute rout by AU, who was stomping a mudhole in them up to that point?

Do you think it mattered to that "garnet and gold streak" that blew past AUs entire kickoff team and hit the end zone untouched ahead of them all by 15 yards?

Do you think Marlin Lane(who has returned some for us) would have done that?

If he doesn't take that to the house, FSU has a great season as runner up.

It matters. When it comes to speed, more is better.
 
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There's WAY more to it than that no doubt. Still, on a team oft regarded as being on the slow side wanting to know what kind of times players are running seems natural enough. The other issue though is the accuracy and uniformity of those times. I've become awfully dubious of 40 times.

Levonte Whitfield certainly made his track times look legit Monday night.
 
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Speed is important but the ability to operate at speed is the difference. Some players are fast but can't make adjustments at full speed. To cut they have to slow down while others that may not be quite as fast, cut without slowing down which creates separation. Quickness is more important. I would rather have a guy that can change directions with explosiveness rather that a guy who can run fast in a straight line.
 
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livefaith said:
A few simple questions concerning last night's championship game that may assist in a correlation between speed and winning ...

Do you think that the 40 time in shorts mattered for the FSU special teams player who took that fake punt reverse for 5 yards getting past the tackler's reach by inches?

Do you think a TE with "4.75 speed in shorts" makes that corner, the first down, and prevents an absolute rout by AU, who was stomping a mudhole in them up to that point?

Do you think it mattered to that "garnet and gold streak" that blew past AUs entire kickoff team and hit the end zone untouched ahead of them all by 15 yards?

Do you think Marlin Lane(who has returned some for us) would have done that?

If he doesn't take that to the house, FSU has a great season as runner up.

It matters. When it comes to speed, more is better.
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Let's see, I'm pretty sure he ran for 100 yards in full pads and didn't run in a straight line. So no, his 40 time wasn't that important in that case.

However, his 100 time, in full pads, using vision to find a running lane, and being able to kick in the afterburners AFTER running 40 yards was important.

My point is, all those things you mentioned are about "football" speed. That's a lot different than running in a straight line for 40 yards in a pair of shorts.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Let's see, I'm pretty sure he ran for 100 yards in full pads and didn't run in a straight line. So no, his 40 time wasn't that important in that case.

However, his 100 time, in full pads, using vision to find a running lane, and being able to kick in the afterburners AFTER running 40 yards was important.

My point is, all those things you mentioned are about "football" speed. That's a lot different than running in a straight line for 40 yards in a pair of shorts.
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Its just a way to measure speed. Not sure what your issue is with that. Would it make you feel better if they ran the 40 in pads?
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Its just a way to measure speed. Not sure what your issue is with that. Would it make you feel better if they ran the 40 in pads?
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Agreed. I've never known anybody that was a burner in shorts that wasn't a burner in pads. Now, that is NOT saying they can actually play football worth a damn (which is a lot more than being fast) but as a simple, specific measurement it no different than measuring someone's height, vertical leap, etc.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Its just a way to measure speed. Not sure what your issue is with that. Would it make you feel better if they ran the 40 in pads?
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It would. That's at least a little more realistic. To me, there is too much emphasis on 40 times than actual "football" speed.

hndog609 said:
Agreed. I've never known anybody that was a burner in shorts that wasn't a burner in pads. Now, that is NOT saying they can actually play football worth a damn (which is a lot more than being fast) but as a simple, specific measurement it no different than measuring someone's height, vertical leap, etc.
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This.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Let's see, I'm pretty sure he ran for 100 yards in full pads and didn't run in a straight line. So no, his 40 time wasn't that important in that case.

However, his 100 time, in full pads, using vision to find a running lane, and being able to kick in the afterburners AFTER running 40 yards was important.

My point is, all those things you mentioned are about "football" speed. That's a lot different than running in a straight line for 40 yards in a pair of shorts.
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I bet there is a correlation between football speed and your 40 time. It give you an indication of a players acceleration and top line speed. No they don't run it in pads but player with good 40 time have a better chance of playing fast than those who don't.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
I bet there is a correlation between football speed and your 40 time. It give you an indication of a players acceleration and top line speed. No they don't run it in pads but player with good 40 time have a better chance of playing fast than those who don't.
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Then run it in pads. That would give you a better indication. Between the 40 and the shuttle run in pads you would get a good idea of a players "football" speed.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Tell me when the last time you saw a college football player wear shorts and nothing else run for 40 yards in a straight line and how that's relevant to football.

There's a bit more to it than that.
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You would get the true 40 times by wearing the whole gear, helmets and the whole deal then you would not see many 4.4 if any.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Tell me when the last time you saw a college football player wear shorts and nothing else run for 40 yards in a straight line and how that's relevant to football.

There's a bit more to it than that.
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In J. Winston's case, it was very relveant when he was fleeing the scene of a cover-up.
 
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Not sure about recent times but during their careers at UT both Brewer and Neal ran laser timed 40's around 4.4. Coleman has some pretty impressive hurdles times from HS that probably relate more to "football speed" than sprints do. I can't think of anything else I have read that is reliable.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Then run it in pads. That would give you a better indication. Between the 40 and the shuttle run in pads you would get a good idea of a players "football" speed.
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I think your pads concern is misdirected. It's not the pads, it's actually playing the game that is the larger variable. Again, I've never known anyone that was fast out of pads that wasn't fast in pads. The difference is that when they're in pads they aren't there to be fast, they're there to play football, and while being fast is a wonderful asset it doesn't guarantee jack.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Let's see, I'm pretty sure he ran for 100 yards in full pads and didn't run in a straight line. So no, his 40 time wasn't that important in that case.

However, his 100 time, in full pads, using vision to find a running lane, and being able to kick in the afterburners AFTER running 40 yards was important.

My point is, all those things you mentioned are about "football" speed. That's a lot different than running in a straight line for 40 yards in a pair of shorts.
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Let's see...running the 40 in shorts in a straight line is the most absolute and relevant way to measure recruit speed consistently and accurately. It's apples to apples. Everyone same same.

Otherwise you end up with an asterik after every posted time stating that there were to swerves, one spin, a cut back and 2 cheerleaders.

Game speed is relflex, getting good jumps, seeing the action....
 
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