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pualsline said:
It gives a baseline to judge top speed
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No.... People are confusing speed with quickness. Yes there is a difference. It's possible to run the 40 well but not have a good 10 yard burst, which is where football is really played, and also have a fast 40 and not have a good 100.... which is where the speed part kicks in to play..

neyland05 said:
Speed seems pretty relevant to me IMO.
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Tell that to Arian Foster... He can show you his bank deposits and his 4.9 40 times all over dinner....

BigBadVol said:
Speed is important but the ability to operate at speed is the difference. Some players are fast but can't make adjustments at full speed. To cut they have to slow down while others that may not be quite as fast, cut without slowing down which creates separation. Quickness is more important. I would rather have a guy that can change directions with explosiveness rather that a guy who can run fast in a straight line.
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Exactly.. thats why they look at other things besides the 40 times at the combine... a slower DB with better hips will get drafted earlier than a guy that can smoke the straight line and cant turn his hips.

terrypedigo said:
You would get the true 40 times by wearing the whole gear, helmets and the whole deal then you would not see many 4.4 if any.
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Probably not any... People have a blurred view of what 4.4 40 times really are. That is world class speed.. not Joe 6 Pack everybody can do it speed. and its not put on the pads speed for 90+% of college and NFL players....

easttnvol14 said:
40 times are hard to compare and not reliable because they aren't all measured in same way (especially as recruits). If you go by hs track times (with electronic timing), Malik Foreman is fastest player we have. He was fastest fball recruit in state last year. And his hs fball recruiting videos were pretty good so maybe he'll be used more in return game next year.
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Yep, those coaches and dads out there with the IPhone clocking their kids. That why we have so many listed 4.3-4.4 40 times when the reality is they run 4.7.
 
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I'm thinking that all the guys on here saying 40 times aren't important in evaluating how fast football players are and correlates to how fast they will potentially be on a football field...... you guys should let all the coaches, ADs, general managers, recruiting analysts, NFL GMs and draft experts know that they're going about it all wrong.
 
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pastorlee said:
It's probably out there some where and I've missed it, but I have never seen 40 times listed for the football team. You see it with recruits and at the combine, but it seems that they stop timing 40's in college. You would think that they would have some times coming out of winter or summer conditioning. Just curious.
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They are listed on couchscout.com don't know how accurate they are or where this website got them.TENN Roster

It seems to have not been updated in a while some of the players are no longer Vols.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
They are listed on couchscout.com don't know how accurate they are or where this website got them.TENN Roster

It seems to have not been updated in a while some of the players are no longer Vols.
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Proves my point... 4.4 is world class.... The avg player is running 4.5 or slower.. some much slower... I looked at Fla St because they seemed really fast in the BCS NC game.... 4.5 or slower is the norm... Wake up folks!! The kids aren't running 4.1 40's all over the field...
 
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rpeagram said:
Proves my point... 4.4 is world class.... The avg player is running 4.5 or slower.. some much slower... I looked at Fla St because they seemed really fast in the BCS NC game.... 4.5 or slower is the norm... Wake up folks!! The kids aren't running 4.1 40's all over the field...
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The epitome of volnation. A guy asks if anyone knows the 40 times, and we get three pages debating the value of 40 times.

Kind of like, "How do I get to Main Street?"
"Main Street? You don't want to go to Main Street."
 
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Volfan2012 said:
They are listed on couchscout.com don't know how accurate they are or where this website got them.TENN Roster

It seems to have not been updated in a while some of the players are no longer Vols.
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Times on that site seem questionable based on...
HURD, Jalen 6- 3.0 223 4.72
 
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sjt18 said:
The 40 yard dash was chosen because it measures acceleration over an important football distance. A football field is just over 53 yds. Run a sweep from the I position that covers 10 yds... you've run very close to 40 yds. Defend a sweep from the MLB postion and you've run between 20-40 yds. After 40 yds, acceleration begins to be less important than stride. Very few football plays go longer than 10-20 yd gains.

There are no perfect measures of speed but if you look at the shuttle, 40, and 100 m or hurdle times... you can usually determine if a guy has elite speed or not.
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Seems legit.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
they should have them run with pads, helmets, and pertaining to their position, rather it be a hand down, 2 hands down, hands on knees like an rb, or standing in the position of a wr.
Straight track 40 times mean little on the field. Maybe a play or 2 on a long pass or kickoff, but the other 100+ plays in a game have little or nothing to do with a 40 time on a track.
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Do they still do a shuttle run? Seems that is a better indicator of true speed and quickness!
 
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sjt18 said:
After 40 yds, acceleration begins to be less important than stride.
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It's actually much shorter than 40 yards. I believe it's more around the first 3-5 yards where the bulk of difference in speed shows up (e.g., a 4.5 vs. a 4.7). A lot of it is determined by how fast you can get up to your max speed. There usually isn't a tremendous difference in top speed for athletes that play similar positions. Obviously, there is a huge top speed difference between a lineman and running back.

But, you hit your top speed in the first few yards - you certainly aren't still accelerating for 40 yards :)
 
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