4th n Short and No Under Center?

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BruinVol said:
Sorry if this has already been discussed here as I don’t read this board at all now like I used to but I was hoping to check my old man memory for accuracy


I am certain we were really good last year on short yardage. My memory tells me Hooker was really Good under Center on the sneak. Is that correct .. did hooker go under center on 3rd/4th and short??



I don’t recall Joe trying a QB sneak all year or being under Center. Have we tried it???






One last thing. I’m sure the mood around here sucks… but damn we need to have learned something from the last 20 years. If this team goes 9-3 that’s one hell of a good year
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With a 6”4 240 lb QB we line up in the gun. Coaches, WATCH the tush push the eagles run!
 
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bigorangekicksazz said:
With a 6”4 240 lb QB we line up in the gun. Coaches, WATCH the tush push the eagles run!
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What’s especially frustrating is we did something similar in the UVA game. Went under center and put Spragg and Tyre West behind Joe to push him forward. No excuse not to do it on that forst fourth down attempt yesterday.
 
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I will never understand why we go shotgun formation when we need a single yard. This seems like it's been the case for the last decade regardless of who is the head coach. Is it just the inability of the QB to take a snap under center? Couldn't this be practiced? A Tush Push type of play would have gotten us the 4th and 1, with Milton's size/strength that play would be extremely difficult to stop. At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon I really miss the days when we needed it we could line up jumbo and ram it down our opponents throat.
 
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If we ran the QB sneak the Eagles run, we’d get a first down basically every time we’ve gone for it.

Put Milton under center, put an xtra OL/DL in as a fullback. Put Castles in the backfield, take the snap, and everyone pushes Milton. Hell, he’d probably get 5 yards.
 
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Vol in Buckeye Land said:
What’s especially frustrating is we did something similar in the UVA game. Went under center and put Spragg and Tyre West behind Joe to push him forward. No excuse not to do it on that forst fourth down attempt yesterday.
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Wow…that is frustrating. Percentages are a lot higher I would guess. And we have ran it…wow.
 
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Zero excuse not to practice a qb sneak and implement it into the game plan. All be it an nfl team the eagles spend a majority of their time in shotgun but are still able to run a qb sneak.
 
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Vol8188 said:
It’s still going to be something you do less than you do shotgun snaps. Which increases the odds of a bad snap. I’m more open to under center though in a 4th and really short scenario than I am when kneeling.

4th and short a fumble doesn’t matter as much because the other team will get the ball in the same area as if they stopped you.

Kneeling though I 100% oppose it. You’re doing something you do less frequent and increasing the odds the other team gets the ball because the bad snap occurs closer to the defense
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Chances are that Mays and Milton have practiced and executed under center snaps quite a bit in pee wee, middle school, and high school. It is likely second nature. JMO.
 
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hog88 said:
Nothing stopping Milton and Mays from doing some work after practice.
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This.

I've always wondered about college coaches: do they follow the model set by their academic counterparts?

A college student only spends 12 to 18 hours in class every week. When asked why such a "light" workload, any professor would tell you it's because the students are expected to spend about 3 hours working on the subject OUTSIDE of class for every hour they spend IN class.

So...do college coaches take the same approach? "Here's your homework for the day, Milton and Mays: 200 snaps under center by tomorrow's practice."

Certainly, weight training each morning is part of the "homework" approach. But do the coaches give them extensive amounts of individual and small group work, too? Seems to me an ideal way to develop those muscle memory skills that only come with many, many repetitions.

Anyone know?

Go Vols!
 
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If we're going to go from the gun, I wouldn't be opposed to a Wildcat package in some of these situations.
 
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Vol8188 said:
As a guy who primarily coached shotgun I see it exactly the opposite. I see the risk being a fumbled snap at the line of scrimmage where the other team is closer to the football because we tried doing something we aren’t used to.

Rather than a shotgun snap which if missed we are more likely to recover and it’s something we do more often
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I get your perspective but this is year 3. Year 1 under Heupel we ran most 3rd and 4th down short yardage plays out of shotgun and we absolutely sucked at them. Last year we went under center for most and we were really good at converting. This year we’re back to shotgun and we suck again. I don’t know why we changed and then changed back to what wasn’t working. That’s frustrating.
 
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