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#26
#26
droski said:
they might vote for the guy who doesn't dump trillions on his buddies. just finding someone who doesn't waste trillions would be a big step up from obama/bush.
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the problem is that America has become a government reliant country. if a pol really tried to cut spending, there would be a revolt. that's why we're beyond the point of no return.
 
#27
#27
utvolpj said:
exactly. The current Pres has shown he has no clue so it's time to give someone else a shot to clean up his mess.

tell me you will stop wasting my money and I will consider voting for you
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and this is exactly what the new republican candidate is going to say. whether he is going to do it is another question.
 
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#28
joevol320 said:
the problem is that America has become a government reliant country. if a pol really tried to cut spending, there would be a revolt. that's why we're beyond the point of no return.
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yup history has shown getting rid of entitlements is virtually impossible. this is why this healthcare bill needs to be shut down BEFORE people start seeing some benefits.
 
#29
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droski said:
and this is exactly what the new republican candidate is going to say. whether he is going to do it is another question.
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I just wish there was someone out there with a track record of doing it that had a chance. Only idiots that want to get rich have a shot anymore
 
#30
#30
not sure why daniels didnt' give it a shot. guess he didn't want the wife thrown thru the ringer.
 
#31
#31
If the economy doesn't improve between now and next year, Obama might as well not even run for re-election.
 
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VOLatile said:
None of which is Obama's fault nor would it be different under any other POTUS, but keep trying.
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You don't think the president and his policies have any connection to the economy?

Here's where I see Obama made things worse than they could have been:

1) HC costs uncertainty. The year he spent on Obamacare was a diversion from the economy and the result is a huge number of unknowns for businesses - the rules are unwritten at this point. Businesses simply do not know what their liability will be.

2) Enviromental regulatory uncertainty. Same basic story as Obamacare.

3) Housing meddling. In an attempt to soften the blow, this administration has delayed the inevitable shakeout and kept the housing market in a perpetual state of flux.

4) Massive and I mean massive increases in debt spending which has resulted in inflationary pressure and more uncertainty

5) A "stimulus" program that was simply a money transfer to state governments and favored constituencies.

Just a short list of policies that have done nothing to improve the situation and in most cases have made it worse. I would contend that doing nothing (other than TARP) would have been more effective.

Who knows what McCain would have done but I firmly believe that the policies and tone set so far have made matters worse or at least prevented them from getting better.
 
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#34
Like I said over a month ago, Romney hammers Obama over Jobs/Economy all summer long and wins 2012 in almost a landslide
 
#38
#38
he's like the girl you wont date because she's already banged 10 guys you hate.
 
#39
#39
jdavis675 said:
Usually I would tend to agree with this more than not. However, what has contributed to the economic slowdown? Inflation is a huge driver with commodity prices and oil and gas shooting through the roof year over year.

President Obama's administration and the Democrats in Congress over the past few years are directly responsible for this. How? Weak dollar policy. All commodities and oil are purchased in dollars. A weaker dollar means more dollars needed to purchase, which drives up prices. People are spending more at the pump and stores and have less to spend in the economy.

Bad news all around. Geitner's answer is to raise taxes by $1 trillion to match with $2 trillion in spending cuts for debt ceiling hike. Simply unbelievable.
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Actually, the weak dollar (I don't think it was policy) began during W's presidency when repulicans had control of congress.

Try again
 
#40
#40
not a bad comparison

he's a politician that got elected in Mass. Tells me he doesn't think the same way I do
 
#41
#41
bush definetely had a weak dollar policy.

only way the republicans lose is if they put up a gore/mccain/dole type turd as their nomination (not unlikely at all btw).
 
#43
#43
hard to hire when there is so much uncertainty as a business owner as to future expenses
 
#44
#44
shortgameVol said:
Actually, the weak dollar (I don't think it was policy) began during W's presidency when repulicans had control of congress.

Try again
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You are right but it has been severely exacerbated over the past three to four years, especially in the last year. And it was a policy of Bush and is one for Obama. The purpose is to boost exports but the other problems it creates are obvious now.

United States Dollar Index (DXY)

How's that for a second try?
 

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#45
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VOLatile said:
None of which is Obama's fault nor would it be different under any other POTUS, but keep trying.
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Cut taxes and simplify or reduce regulations on investors and small business... you get jobs. Spend billions of tax dollars in payola to your political supporters... you don't.

No one person can be held responsible for a problem that big. They CAN however be held responsible for continuing to advance the ideals and policies that caused the problem.

Oil exploration and drilling is an example. Tens of 1000's of direct jobs could have been created by now. In direct job creation would in the 100's of thousands.

Obama did not cause it alone. The policies he believes in and pushes however was the primary contributor.
 
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jdavis675 said:
You are right but it has been severely exacerbated over the past three to four years, especially in the last year. And it was a policy of Bush and is one for Obama. The purpose is to boost exports but the other problems it creates are obvious now.

United States Dollar Index (DXY)

How's that for a second try?
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It is somewhat true. There is another side of this equation. European currency and debt problems contributed to the environment that initially weakened the dollar. Chinese economic growth and their currency policies also hurt.

One difference is that Bush's weakening dollar occurred during fairly robust economic growth.

Obama seems to be doing it on purpose so he can spend and cover debt increases.
 
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droski said:
bush definetely had a weak dollar policy.

only way the republicans lose is if they put up a gore/mccain/dole type turd as their nomination (not unlikely at all btw).
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Establishment Republicans may promote this as a better option (for them) than the election of a genuine conservative outsider. If someone like Romney gets nominated, I am voting 3rd party.
 
#49
#49
droski said:
don't think romney can win the nomination. don't like him much either.
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Well you guys better learn to like Romney, because I feel like that is who they nominate

What dont you like about him? Too East Coast? Mormon? RomneyCare?
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Well you guys better learn to like Romney, because I feel like that is who they nominate

What dont you like about him? Too East Coast? Mormon? RomneyCare?
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Flip-flop, flip-flop, flip-flop... He's a politician. I don't see him as someone who will stand up for the values he will espouse to get elected. I don't think he would undo Obamacare regardless of what he says.

If you liked Bush 1 and the last two years of Bush 2 (the oxymoron "big gov't conservative applies) then you'll LOVE Romney.

I am done voting for the lesser of two evils.

His Mormonism less the other problems isn't an issue though I strongly disagree with Mormon theology.
 
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