90% of the issues with CFB can be resolved one way

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volbound1700 said:
Treat Post Season as a part of the season.

No transfers until AFTER National Championship

No awards, including Heisman, until AFTER National Championship

No signing day until AFTER National Championship
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You're completely ignoring the academic calendar. The National Championship is in the next semester. That's why the portal is arranged the way it is. There are no easy solutions to this. It's why we are where we are. But we're equipped to deal with it much better than most teams across the country.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Treat Post Season as a part of the season.

No transfers until AFTER National Championship

No awards, including Heisman, until AFTER National Championship

No signing day until AFTER National Championship
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Your points, in order, won't work because:

1. The post season (FB) cannot be legally treated as part of the semester after it is over before the bowls and playoff games
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2. It is illegal for the NCAA to limit transfers or punish an athlete for transferring out at any time, based on the Ohio vs NCAA case.

3. Awards? Meaningless. It won't stop transfers.

4. Signing Day is also meaningless. Athletes can sign with a college whenever registration is open just like any other student.

Sorry, but your ideas won't fix anything.
 
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It can all be solved by Congress granting college sports a conditional antitrust exemption, conditioned on revenue sharing of TV money, etc. with the players at a certain percentage and in exchange there can be a governing body that can create enforceable rules. Right now, no rules are enforceable because the prior system was deemed to violate antitrust, which is a law of Congress, that only Congress can amend. If Congress amends it though, the legal problems largely go away. People talk about making the athletes employees and so forth but if that happens you can kiss the non-revenue sports goodbye, especially most of the women's sports. That will eventually drive a compromise.
 
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One thing you can do is tighten the reins on agents. In NFL if you get out of bounds you do not have a job in the industry. I could declare myself an agent this morning in CFB. If the NCAA is looking out for the "greater good of student athletes", then they should look out for some 17 year old being misguided by someone w/o proper vetting of their abilities or motivations. Also, they could, for sure tighten up on tampering. CFB has fallen into the trap of what they legally can and can't do, but has definitely not strained to find common best practices which are good for CFB, while also staying in legal boundaries.
 
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njvols said:
One thing you can do is tighten the reins on agents. In NFL if you get out of bounds you do not have a job in the industry. I could declare myself an agent this morning in CFB. If the NCAA is looking out for the "greater good of student athletes", then they should look out for some 17 year old being misguided by someone w/o proper vetting of their abilities or motivations. Also, they could, for sure tighten up on tampering. CFB has fallen into the trap of what they legally can and can't do, but has definitely not strained to find common best practices which are good for CFB, while also staying in legal boundaries.
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The NCAA can't do that without an antitrust exemption. Ergo, it's not a best practice.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It can all be solved by Congress granting college sports a conditional antitrust exemption, conditioned on revenue sharing of TV money, etc. with the players at a certain percentage and in exchange there can be a governing body that can create enforceable rules. Right now, no rules are enforceable because the prior system was deemed to violate antitrust, which is a law of Congress, that only Congress can amend. If Congress amends it though, the legal problems largely go away. People talk about making the athletes employees and so forth but if that happens you can kiss the non-revenue sports goodbye, especially most of the women's sports. That will eventually drive a compromise.
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How is the NCAA going to get an antitrust exemption without making the athletes employees? The pro sports have antitrust exemptions and the athletes are not only employees, but they are unionized.
 
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Seeing that many think these options are not feasible - then we are left with:

1. No CFP and just decide the champion based on the polls after the bowl games have completed and/or at the end of the season. For 2024 that means Oregon is the champion.
2. Shorten the regular season to allow for the playoffs - not going to happen as it impacts the revenue too much.
3. 4 games in the 4 weeks following the end of the season ending the first weekend of January - this requires eliminating connection to any bowl games - but let's the madness take place in December and gets it done.
 
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The truth is with all the opt outs, transfers etc. the CFP if not really deciding the best team based on the prior season, but the best team for next season.

However, that did not work last year as Michigan tanked.
 
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Or one final thought - schedule the playoffs after the transfers have happened - then rank the teams again treating the transfer just like you would an injury - if a team loses a critical player, they are out and are no longer one of the top 12 - so be it.

It is going to have to become problematic for the CFPs before something will be done. May not happen this year, but it will. And when it impacts the revenue there will be changes.
 
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I get all the legal stuff...there's hard/fast legal boundaries, and there's risk mitigation boundaries. To OP's point, there are many things wrong w/ CFB... if you're doing a SWOT analysis, there are definite threats to the future viability of the game...which feeds all the players, coaches, lawyers, agents. Gotta be careful not to kill the golden goose...if there is less demand for a product, that has ripple impacts.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It can all be solved by Congress granting college sports a conditional antitrust exemption, conditioned on revenue sharing of TV money, etc. with the players at a certain percentage and in exchange there can be a governing body that can create enforceable rules. Right now, no rules are enforceable because the prior system was deemed to violate antitrust, which is a law of Congress, that only Congress can amend. If Congress amends it though, the legal problems largely go away. People talk about making the athletes employees and so forth but if that happens you can kiss the non-revenue sports goodbye, especially most of the women's sports. That will eventually drive a compromise.
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Many who don't understand the financial side of this don't realize that how this is solved could impact all college sports and ultimately take opportunities away from students who obtain an education.

Football, whose revenue has carried ADs on most campus, will ultimately be what destroys college sports and the educational opportunities for a lot of students. Sad ... really. If only NIL worked like it should as earnings based on one's "image" verses just a way to entice a recruit with money that will be gone for most when their playing days are over.

I think at some point we will be left with three, maybe four sports - Football, Basketball (men and women) and possibly Baseball. Maybe women's softball will survive - but after that ... nothing else.
 
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volfan102455 said:
Or one final thought - schedule the playoffs after the transfers have happened - then rank the teams again treating the transfer just like you would an injury - if a team loses a critical player, they are out and are no longer one of the top 12 - so be it.

It is going to have to become problematic for the CFPs before something will be done. May not happen this year, but it will. And when it impacts the revenue there will be changes.
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That won't work. You had people transferring just last week. You can't rerank a team that late because tickets and travel arrangement alone.
Then you have teams that are already practicing and watching game film in prep.

Really the only viable solution is the anti trust exemption as mentioned above but again that brings in other issues about employment status which honestly in the next 10 years I think college football, at least for the top school will be an official pro league. SEC, B1G will form some league and take a few other teams from the other conferences with them. Teams will probably pay schools a licensing fee to use their name and logo but players are still allowed to attend classes at their team school, etc etc
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It can all be solved by Congress granting college sports a conditional antitrust exemption, conditioned on revenue sharing of TV money, etc. with the players at a certain percentage and in exchange there can be a governing body that can create enforceable rules. Right now, no rules are enforceable because the prior system was deemed to violate antitrust, which is a law of Congress, that only Congress can amend. If Congress amends it though, the legal problems largely go away. People talk about making the athletes employees and so forth but if that happens you can kiss the non-revenue sports goodbye, especially most of the women's sports. That will eventually drive a compromise.
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Congress?
They typically make matters worse when meddling.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
How is the NCAA going to get an antitrust exe option without making the athletes employees? The pro sports have antitrust exemptions and the athletes are not only employees, but they are unionized.
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It's a law made by Congress, Congress can re-write it as it chooses too.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
Congress?
They typically make matters worse when meddling.
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Unfortunately, they are the only party that can resolve this, because it's their law that is the problem. I admit, it's a shiddy situation to be in, but that's the lay of the land. There will be no order in college sports until there is, at least not without shutting down the non-revenue sports.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
You're completely ignoring the academic calendar. The National Championship is in the next semester. That's why the portal is arranged the way it is. There are no easy solutions to this. It's why we are where we are. But we're equipped to deal with it much better than most teams across the country.
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We didn’t come to play sKoOL!!!!
 
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