90% of the issues with CFB can be resolved one way

[volfan102455]

Apples, meet oranges. CFB athletes are students. Students can transfer whenever they want, without penalty. The Ohio vs NCAA case says so. That doesn't apply to your business.

Any NCAA interference in private NIL is illegal, too. They can't legally try to regulate a private deal between two other parties.

Non competes in the larger sense are under lots of legal challenges, too. They may not survive.

Students engaged in research for a university that transfer are more than likely prevented from taking the research to another university. Yes, they can transfer, but they can't take propriety information associated with a university with them and present it as their own for special projects that belong to the university. Non compete agreements do exist in the university world.

I don't know what the answer is, just know that the drive for money will eventually destroy the hands that bring them that money and when it is gone, they will wonder why.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Students engaged in research for a university that transfer are more than likely prevented from taking the research to another university. Yes, they can transfer, but they can't take propriety information associated with a university with them and present it as their own for special projects that belong to the university. Non compete agreements do exist in the university world.

I don't know what the answer is, just know that the drive for money will eventually destroy the hands that bring them that money and when it is gone, they will wonder why.

Several of my college professors including a program head left a university for a better job at another school. They got more money, promotions, and in a couple of cases, instant tenure. They couldn't take their research product, but that's all. It's no different for athletes. They just can't take their previous school's playbook when they go.

 

[volbound1700]

Apples, meet oranges. CFB athletes are students. Students can transfer whenever they want, without penalty. The Ohio vs NCAA case says so. That doesn't apply to your business.

Any NCAA interference in private NIL is illegal, too. They can't legally try to regulate a private deal between two other parties.

Non competes in the larger sense are under lots of legal challenges, too. They may not survive.

Not without consequences. Your credits may not transfer. Sure a player could transfer at any time (even under my description, there will just be consequences to it).

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Students engaged in research for a university that transfer are more than likely prevented from taking the research to another university. Yes, they can transfer, but they can't take propriety information associated with a university with them and present it as their own for special projects that belong to the university. Non compete agreements do exist in the university world.

I don't know what the answer is, just know that the drive for money will eventually destroy the hands that bring them that money and when it is gone, they will wonder why.

Canard. College football is better off by every measurable since 2019. Viewership. Attendence. Merch. Money. You name it.

 

[DaddyChad]

I think at some point, there needs to be policing and make sure NIL is completely independent of a university. If it is really independent of a university then when a player transfers their NIL contract should go with them - but yet they are transferring for better NIL arrangements that the other university can offer.

That said there is nothing stopping the NIL contract itself from carrying expectations for participation. It should be a big boost to a player's "NIL" to participate in these playoff games.

You’re not understanding how it works.

 

[The Original Fade]

Apples, meet oranges. CFB athletes are students. Students can transfer whenever they want, without penalty. The Ohio vs NCAA case says so. That doesn't apply to your business.

Any NCAA interference in private NIL is illegal, too. They can't legally try to regulate a private deal between two other parties.

Non competes in the larger sense are under lots of legal challenges, too. They may not survive.

Then let’s just sit back and watch it burn down and claim we did right by student athletes.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Maybe so but IMO those guys didn't get rich by squandering money.

Larry Ellison has zero ties to Michigan. His wife/partner is a grad and got him easily to cough up 10M to flip Bryce Underwood.

When you're worth 200B+, 50M/yr isn't a stretch at all. As I said, drop 5B in a trust, let the interest fund the NIL without the principle being touched and forget it. Enjoy your skybox if you wish or use it for recruiting or treating business partners or let the wife invite her friends to party on game day.

Happy wife, Happy life.

 

[DaddyChad]

Then let’s just sit back and watch it burn down and claim we did right by student athletes.

That was the NCAA’s stance which is why we are here.

Probably was always going to end up this way but with some more sensible governance the ncaa could have kept the wolves at bay a bit longer.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

You seriously think the schools can revenue share with players and NOT get sued and lose on employee status? You think the courts will allow the schools to establish ALL the revenue sharing rules and amounts without negotiating with the players? Basically making it entirely one-sided?

"We've got an exemption. Do you know how much revenue we're sharing from now on? ZERO. We have an exemption."

Whatever kind of exemption Congress passed would dictate the terms of what the schools could do. You don't have to be employed by someone for money to change hands between the two of you. As I said, I think the only exemption with a chance of passing would be a conditional one that required revenue sharing with the student athletes at a certain percentage (set by Congress) as a condition of using the exemption, but again there would NOT, I repeat NOT, be a requirement of employment unless Congress said so. It is up to them. It is Congress's law at issue here. All these rulings are essentially nullified by an exemption.

 

[barney]

Treat Post Season as a part of the season.

No transfers until AFTER National Championship

No awards, including Heisman, until AFTER National Championship

No signing day until AFTER National Championship

problem is the spring semester starts in January and the deadline to enroll is in december for most schools and NCAA rules tie scholarship players for a given team to enrollment. Gotta allow schools to negotiate contracts with players to keep them on the roster through the completion of the post season regardless of enrollment status.

 

[sigmundoooz]

Treat Post Season as a part of the season.

No transfers until AFTER National Championship

No awards, including Heisman, until AFTER National Championship

No signing day until AFTER National Championship

The problem with transfer timing has to do with admissions process.

 

[volbound1700]

problem is the spring semester starts in January and the deadline to enroll is in december for most schools and NCAA rules tie scholarship players for a given team to enrollment. Gotta allow schools to negotiate contracts with players to keep them on the roster through the completion of the post season regardless of enrollment status.

I get that but school rules can be changed (which is what I am suggesting). Transfers happen in the Spring (not December) in this scenario. They join team in May/June and then enroll for August classes. Either that, or like someone said, move the season up a few weeks and start CFB playoff with Jan 1 wrap-up (start games in August which will be HOT).

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Whatever kind of exemption Congress passed would dictate the terms of what the schools could do. You don't have to be employed by someone for money to change hands between the two of you. As I said, I think the only exemption with a chance of passing would be a conditional one that required revenue sharing with the student athletes at a certain percentage (set by Congress) as a condition of using the exemption, but again there would NOT, I repeat NOT, be a requirement of employment unless Congress said so. It is up to them. It is Congress's law at issue here. All these rulings are essentially nullified by an exemption.

You honestly think Congress would allow a type of exemption that's entirely one sided? Much less SHOULD allow such an exemption.

Currently, exemptions are based upon negotiations between business and employees, not some kind of "let's screw the workers and let the business make all the rules about compensation." Utterly ridiculous. Completely unAmerican.

None of us like what's happening to college football but trying to get Congress involved is usually a bad solution but trying to get Congress to put compensation entirely back at the school's discretion is as unethical as I can imagine.

Literally, with an exemption and no penalty for not compensating athletes, schools simply go back to "student athletes don't get compensated" and the under the table money starts again.

Could they? Yeah. Will they? No way.

 

[S.C. OrangeMan]

Whatever kind of exemption Congress passed would dictate the terms of what the schools could do. You don't have to be employed by someone for money to change hands between the two of you. As I said, I think the only exemption with a chance of passing would be a conditional one that required revenue sharing with the student athletes at a certain percentage (set by Congress) as a condition of using the exemption, but again there would NOT, I repeat NOT, be a requirement of employment unless Congress said so. It is up to them. It is Congress's law at issue here. All these rulings are essentially nullified by an exemption.

Without employment, there's not going to be an ATE. That is a condition of every exiting ATE. The courts are t going to allow a violation of that precedent.

 

[volbound1700]

You honestly think Congress would allow a type of exemption that's entirely one sided? Much less SHOULD allow such an exemption.

Currently, exemptions are based upon negotiations between business and employees, not some kind of "let's screw the workers and let the business make all the rules about compensation." Utterly ridiculous. Completely unAmerican.

None of us like what's happening to college football but trying to get Congress involved is usually a bad solution but trying to get Congress to put compensation entirely back at the school's discretion is as unethical as I can imagine.

Literally, with an exemption and no penalty for not compensating athletes, schools simply go back to "student athletes don't get compensated" and the under the table money starts again.

Could they? Yeah. Will they? No way.

Literally, the only change is having an athlete wait until May instead of December to transfer. That isn't a very big deal. Even then, they could still transfer, they would just have to sit out a season at the FBS level (let them play Div II, Div III, FCS, etc. That gets around anti-trust btw).

 

[barney]

I get that but school rules can be changed (which is what I am suggesting). Transfers happen in the Spring (not December) in this scenario. They join team in May/June and then enroll for August classes. Either that, or like someone said, move the season up a few weeks and start CFB playoff with Jan 1 wrap-up (start games in August which will be HOT).

again the ncaa lets schools have employment relationships and contracts with its players and all these problems go away

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Literally, the only change is having an athlete wait until May instead of December to transfer. That isn't a very big deal. Even then, they could still transfer, they would just have to sit out a season at the FBS level (let them play Div II, Div III, FCS, etc. That gets around anti-trust btw).

Which is why WV and Tennessee and others sued the NCAA to allow no penalty and multiple transfers and, I don't think they "won" but the NCAA backed away from transfer limitations rather than lose in court.

Telling college students they can't transfer and play is a nonstarter in court for the NCAA.

They know it. This is why the portal dates are where they are. It's not because the NCAA WANTS it that way. The NCAA is stuck trying to maintain the ruse that these are "student athletes" treated like every other student who transfers.

 

[volbound1700]

again the ncaa lets schools have employment relationships and contracts with its players and all these problems go away

Agree but the issue is the players that actually are there for the school and not just players looking for NIL or Pro stardom.

 

[volbound1700]

Which is why WV and Tennessee and others sued the NCAA to allow no penalty and multiple transfers and, I don't think they "won" but the NCAA backed away from transfer limitations rather than lose in court.

Telling college students they can't transfer and play is a nonstarter in court for the NCAA.

They know it. This is why the portal dates are where they are. It's not because the NCAA WANTS it that way. The NCAA is stuck trying to maintain the ruse that these are "student athletes" treated like every other student who transfers.

I am NOT telling them anything other than stay until the season is over. They can still transfer. They leave now because the rules favor leaving now as oppose to April. Nothing changes between now and April/May other than 1 more semester of classes. They won't get to play if they enroll in January.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

You honestly think Congress would allow a type of exemption that's entirely one sided? Much less SHOULD allow such an exemption.

Currently, exemptions are based upon negotiations between business and employees, not some kind of "let's screw the workers and let the business make all the rules about compensation." Utterly ridiculous. Completely unAmerican.

None of us like what's happening to college football but trying to get Congress involved is usually a bad solution but trying to get Congress to put compensation entirely back at the school's discretion is as unethical as I can imagine.

Literally, with an exemption and no penalty for not compensating athletes, schools simply go back to "student athletes don't get compensated" and the under the table money starts again.

Could they? Yeah. Will they? No way.

You are choosing to ignore the fact that I said that no exemption will pass without a condition of revenue sharing with the student athletes. I suppose you are doing so because to acknowledge it, it would take away your whole skreed. They could most certainly pass an exemption that did not require employment though.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

again the ncaa lets schools have employment relationships and contracts with its players and all these problems go away

And a union, and salary caps, and a draft out to retain league parity (every pro league has this,) and free agency rules.

So yes, make it pro ball and the college athlete issues go away and the schools own pro franchises.

Sounds better, eh?

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I am NOT telling them anything other than stay until the season is over. They can still transfer. They leave now because the rules favor leaving now as oppose to April. Nothing changes between now and April/May other than 1 more semester of classes. They won't get to play if they enroll in January.

You'll be sued because WHY are these students not allowed to transfer without penalty?

Look up the WV lawsuit which Tennessee joined. Punishing athletes by making them sit out after transferring is a losing proposition for the NCAA so they ended it.

Edit: so you need not look it up.

NCAA, states reach agreement in lawsuit to permanently allow multiple-transfer athletes to compete

The NCAA and a coalition of states suing the organization have announced a proposed settlement of a lawsuit that would allow athletes to play immediately no matter how many times they transfer.

apnews.com

 

[barney]

And a union, and salary caps, and a draft out to retain league parity (every pro league has this,) and free agency rules.

So yes, make it pro ball and the college athlete issues go away and the schools own pro franchises.

Sounds better, eh?

I wouldn't assume that any of those things would work in college. Signing a contract with your players is the only way to keep them from walking away before the end of the season. That was always true but now there are massive monetary incentives for them to do just that.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I wouldn't assume that any of those things would work in college. Signing a contract with your players is the only way to keep them from walking away before the end of the season. That was always true but now there are massive monetary incentives for them to do just that.

You can't keep the players signing contracts to play from unionizing to maximize leverage. Then the school negotiates compensation with the player's union.

Past that, all the dominoes fall of salary caps, etc.

 

[OrangeCola]

Start the season one week earlier, Start the Playoff one week after the conference championships with only one week between games. two weeks for the finals

This year the season would end on Jan 4. Plenty of time for a "student" athlete to get ready for a new school