90% of the issues with CFB can be resolved one way

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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It's a law made by Congress, Congress can re-write it as it chooses too.
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Congress isn't going to rewrite laws that governm literally every aspect of interstate business, transportation, food production, and fair business competition over a sports issue.
 
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I don’t like this solution but it is all I have. Move the schedule up a couple weeks. 1 less bye week on the schedule. Championship game Jan 1st.?? There can be other bowl games Jan 1st.. Last resort, get rid of conference championship game or one less game on schedule.
 
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Leave it alone, it will all work itself out. People/companies will reduce/stop donating to collectives that support these NIL deals or the entire system will implode.
 
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easy fix to all of college sports - let players unionize and sign contracts like the NFL. If a player wants to transfer, the school receiving the player must buy out previous school’s contract. That will put an end to a lot of this portal nonsense
 
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RandomUTfan said:
You're completely ignoring the academic calendar. The National Championship is in the next semester. That's why the portal is arranged the way it is. There are no easy solutions to this. It's why we are where we are. But we're equipped to deal with it much better than most teams across the country.
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the "academic calendar"
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Its almost like you think academics matter in our new era of semi-pro ball. Take that silliness to unranked teams, whose players are still thinking a degree will be the way they are making money, instead of the NIL.

I dont like it but that is what it has become.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
You're completely ignoring the academic calendar. The National Championship is in the next semester. That's why the portal is arranged the way it is. There are no easy solutions to this. It's why we are where we are. But we're equipped to deal with it much better than most teams across the country.
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It's incredible how many people either never realized this to begin with (because they never went to school maybe?) or just plain forgot. These athletes have to maintain a certain GPA and >90% of them will never go pro so many of them are there to make a little money playing ball and get a degree debt free.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Congress isn't going to rewrite laws that government literally every aspect of interstate business, transportation, food production, and fair business competition over a sports issue.
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They don't have to, they would simply "exempt" them from the antitrust laws. The governing body could then make rules that applied to anyone who CHOSE to participate. See right now, players can thwart that by saying that they don't really have a choice because there is no developmental football league and college football has a monopoly, in violation of the ANTITRUST laws, but if they are exempted from the Anti-Trust laws, the governing body can make rules, as a condition of participation. As I said, the only way this has a chance of getting passed is if it is contingent on some sort of revenue sharing model with athletes, but it 1000% does NOT have to be an employment model if Congress passes an exemption.
 
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Most of the problems can be solved by letting kids go to the NFL anytime they want. Then there is an avenue for them to make money on their skills and NIL. Remove the barrier to entry and the choice to enter the amatuer ranks is on the kid.
 
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Gandalf said:
the "academic calendar"
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Its almost like you think academics matter in our new era of semi-pro ball. Take that silliness to unranked teams, whose players are still thinking a degree will be the way they are making money, instead of the NIL.

I dont like it but that is what it has become.
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I am a fan of doing a "Football" major for these athletes that are really not interested in getting a degree and are playing to go pro.

Now that isn't every football player. The ones that want to get a degree are welcomed to it. Frankly, those players are not transferring all the time because that is an academic headache.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
They don't have to, they would simply "exempt" them from the antitrust laws. The governing body could then make rules that applied to anyone who CHOSE to participate. See right now, players can thwart that by saying that they don't really have a choice because there is no developmental football league and college football has a monopoly, in violation of the ANTITRUST laws, but if they are exempted from the Anti-Trust laws, the governing body can make rules, as a condition of participation. As I said, the only way this has a chance of getting passed is if it is contingent on some sort of revenue sharing model with athletes, but it 1000% does NOT have to be an employment model if Congress passes an exemption.
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The antitrust thing is possible.

If enacted, it will come with full employment, unionization and union contracts, workers comp, full medical, the possibility of strikes, and every other aspect of pro sports.

The most glaring is that it will likely do away with recruiting. Who is looking forward to a 131 team draft? If in place two years ago, does anyone here like the idea of Nico getting drafted by UMass or Vanderbilt?
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Your points, in order, won't work because:

1. The post season (FB) cannot be legally treated as part of the semester after it is over before the bowls and playoff games
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2. It is illegal for the NCAA to limit transfers or punish an athlete for transferring out at any time, based on the Ohio vs NCAA case.

3. Awards? Meaningless. It won't stop transfers.

4. Signing Day is also meaningless. Athletes can sign with a college whenever registration is open just like any other student.

Sorry, but your ideas won't fix anything.
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Easy fixes to all of that, treat the signings as employee contracts and expand it to cite that no one can leave until end of 2nd Semester (May). It really doesn't hurt their ability to go to another team, it just keeps them on board until end of the season.

You can lose scholarship/NIL money if you break the employment contract. I guess other schools can pay for you but at that point you have thrown away money for a few extra months and if you are trying to get an academic degree, that is going to be a nightmare as the schools could not recognize the transferred credits.

You don't need Congressional changes, you just need the schools on board in mass.
 
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txbo said:
Most of the problems can be solved by letting kids go to the NFL anytime they want. Then there is an avenue for them to make money on their skills and NIL. Remove the barrier to entry and the choice to enter the amatuer ranks is on the kid.
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No one is going to do that. The NFL antitrust exemption took that off the table long ago.
The NFL has a free development league - the NCAA. It requires at least 3 years out of high school prior to signing with a NFL team. The NFL isn't going to give that up.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Easy fixes to all of that, treat the signings as employee contracts and expand it to cite that no one can leave until end of 2nd Semester (May). It really doesn't hurt their ability to go to another team, it just keeps them on board until end of the season.

You can lose scholarship/NIL money if you break the employment contract. I guess other schools can pay for you but at that point you have thrown away money for a few extra months and if you are trying to get an academic degree, that is going to be a nightmare as the schools could not recognize the transferred credits.
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Except that it's not easy. Again, those things violate federal law.
The NCAA administrators and universities have done some pretty stupid stuff, but they're not going to go to prison because you thing violating the law is easy.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
Except that it's not easy. Again, those things violate federal law.
The NCAA administrators and universities have done some pretty stupid stuff, but they're not going to go to prison because you thing violating the law is easy.
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I sign employee contracts. There are penalties for breaching these contracts early. There are easy ways around all of this without breaking the law. These solutions exist in other industries.

I can't just go work for my competitor right away. There is a 1-2 year limit to when I can work. If you can do that in my industry, you can do that for college sports.
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
The antitrust thing is possible.

If enacted, it will come with full employment, unionization and union contracts, workers comp, full medical, the possibility of strikes, and every other aspect of pro sports.

The most glaring is that it will likely do away with recruiting. Who is looking forward to a 131 team draft? If in place two years ago, does anyone here like the idea of Nico getting drafted by UMass or Vanderbilt?
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It will come with "full employment, unionization and union contracts, workers comp, full medical, the possibility of strikes, and every other aspect of pro sports" IF those requirements are in what Congress passes, but it doesn't have to be. In fact, far less has been proposed, almost every proposal I am aware of for Congressional action has included some form of revenue sharing, if not full employment though.
 
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A great example is taking Automotive industry (I am not in it).

Let's say I get a job at Nissan as a Design Engineering. They can do an employment contract that states that I cannot work for their "competitors" (i.e. Toyota, GM, Ford, Honda, Hyundai, Stellantis, etc.) for x # of years (usually 1-5 years). I would be in breach of my Employment Contract to do that. Now I could go be a design engineer for a supplier such as a engine manufacturer but not another automotive company.

How can this not be applied in college sports?

Even with Football, a limitation would be FBS level so technically a player can transfer to TSU and play without limit but not to an SEC or B1G team for example. It is also not like the request is unreasonable. They are NOT sitting out a season, they are just staying on until the end of the full school year.
 
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Open the portal in February. Players can continue school during spring semester at their fall school. Change spring practice to after Spring semester is completed (like OTA in NFL). Transferring guys can participate in the spring practice at their new school.
 
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volbound1700 said:
I sign employee contracts. There are penalties for breaching these contracts early. There are easy ways around all of this without breaking the law. These solutions exist in other industries.

I can't just go work for my competitor right away. There is a 1-2 year limit to when I can work. If you can do that in my industry, you can do that for college sports.
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They would have to be paid employees to do that. They’re not. NIL isn’t paid by the universities
 
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volbound1700 said:
I sign employee contracts. There are penalties for breaching these contracts early. There are easy ways around all of this without breaking the law. These solutions exist in other industries.

I can't just go work for my competitor right away. There is a 1-2 year limit to when I can work. If you can do that in my industry, you can do that for college sports.
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Apples, meet oranges. CFB athletes are students. Students can transfer whenever they want, without penalty. The Ohio vs NCAA case says so. That doesn't apply to your business.

Any NCAA interference in private NIL is illegal, too. They can't legally try to regulate a private deal between two other parties.

Non competes in the larger sense are under lots of legal challenges, too. They may not survive.
 
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hog88 said:
Leave it alone, it will all work itself out. People/companies will reduce/stop donating to collectives that support these NIL deals or the entire system will implode.
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I don't think it will. Guys like Knight at Oregon and now Ellison at Michigan can give $50M+ every year and never feel it. They can set up a trust of a few billion dollars and let the interest fund NIL deals. Basically, it's like NFL billionaires buying a franchise.

There's easily billionaires in TX who can get together, each put in 100M in a trust and let it keep TX in NIL driven players without feeling it.

Smart NIL collectives are looking for the mega rich angels, not guys like me.
 
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DaddyChad said:
They would have to be paid employees to do that. They’re not. NIL isn’t paid by the universities
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I think at some point, there needs to be policing and make sure NIL is completely independent of a university. If it is really independent of a university then when a player transfers their NIL contract should go with them - but yet they are transferring for better NIL arrangements that the other university can offer.

That said there is nothing stopping the NIL contract itself from carrying expectations for participation. It should be a big boost to a player's "NIL" to participate in these playoff games.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I don't think it will. Guys like Knight at Oregon and now Ellison at Michigan can give $50M+ every year and never feel it. They can set up a trust of a few billion dollars and let the interest fund NIL deals. Basically, it's like NFL billionaires buying a franchise.

There's easily billionaires in TX who can get together, each put in 100M in a trust and let it keep TX in NIL driven players without feeling it.

Smart NIL collectives are looking for the mega rich angels, not guys like me.
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Maybe so but IMO those guys didn't get rich by squandering money.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Treat Post Season as a part of the season.

No transfers until AFTER National Championship

No awards, including Heisman, until AFTER National Championship

No signing day until AFTER National Championship
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The conferences need to be deleted as they no longer serve any clear purpose. Make the top 28 teams with massive budgets D1, drop the rest to D2. Don't allow scheduling outside of D1. Create a playoff similar to the NFL and create some caps for coaches and players. Stop the transfer madness with player contracts.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
They don't have to, they would simply "exempt" them from the antitrust laws. The governing body could then make rules that applied to anyone who CHOSE to participate. See right now, players can thwart that by saying that they don't really have a choice because there is no developmental football league and college football has a monopoly, in violation of the ANTITRUST laws, but if they are exempted from the Anti-Trust laws, the governing body can make rules, as a condition of participation. As I said, the only way this has a chance of getting passed is if it is contingent on some sort of revenue sharing model with athletes, but it 1000% does NOT have to be an employment model if Congress passes an exemption.
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You seriously think the schools can revenue share with players and NOT get sued and lose on employee status? You think the courts will allow the schools to establish ALL the revenue sharing rules and amounts without negotiating with the players? Basically making it entirely one-sided?

"We've got an exemption. Do you know how much revenue we're sharing from now on? ZERO. We have an exemption."
 
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