A Bill Would Bring Back Lady Vols

[DeerPark12]

I propose a petition to term limits on career politicians -- Would like to know how this bill can 'force' NIKE to change its contract with UT

There's nothing in Tennessee's contract with Nike that would prevent bringing the Lady Vol name and logo for all sports, just like there's nothing in the contract that forced them to change it.

 

[meekfan]

Glad Mr. Kane doesn't have anything else better to do with his time.

You hit the nail right on Kane's head! Doesn't the legislative body have more important things to do?

 

[Vols4us]

There's nothing in Tennessee's contract with Nike that would prevent bringing the Lady Vol name and logo for all sports, just like there's nothing in the contract that forced them to change it.

This.

Which makes the petition and politician's bill all the more appropriate. It is not a private institution. It is a State of Tennessee institution that is dependent upon the financial support of its citizens, despite attempts by the current administrators to distance themselves from its defined mission.

 

[Sandvol]

There's nothing in Tennessee's contract with Nike that would prevent bringing the Lady Vol name and logo for all sports, just like there's nothing in the contract that forced them to change it.

Yes. Nike was just a red herring. Used as one of the excuses for changing. This was totally an administration, both athletic and school, and supported by the BOT, decision.

 

[Ladyvol777]

You hit the nail right on Kane's head! Doesn't the legislative body have more important things to do?

They do, it is called doing what the people want, bring back the Lady Vols name.

 

[madtownvol]

Well the school is doing everything on our dime, so we do in fact have that right, as well as the right to express our displeasure when they do other stupid things, and demand the dismissal of the offenders. They can refuse at the risk of being defunded for various things. Any time we can stop the spread of PC or leftist/Marxist encroachment it is a cause worth fighting for, if only to inflict defeat on them.

Actually, athletics is self-sustaining from revenue generated and donations.

Even on the academic side, UT, like many land grant institutions, is "state supported" rather than state funded.

Across the country, state funding for higher ed has been declining and Universities are turning to tuition hikes and again private fund raising.

Good luck in that war on "them"

 

[Sandvol]

You hit the nail right on Kane's head! Doesn't the legislative body have more important things to do?

Like what for instance?

 

[Sandvol]

Actually, athletics is self-sustaining from revenue generated and donations.

Even on the academic side, UT, like many land grant institutions, is "state supported" rather than state funded.

Across the country, state funding for higher ed has been declining and Universities are turning to tuition hikes and again private fund raising.

Good luck in that war on "them"

Another red herring. Most education is funded by student loans which are "guaranteed" by the federal government. Who's the federal government?

 

[madtownvol]

Another red herring. Most education is funded by student loans which are "guaranteed" by the federal government. Who's the federal government?

About 50% of UT system wide operating budget comes from tuition and fees:

http://www.tennessee.edu/budget/docs/FY15_Proposed.pdf.

The default rate on govt. issued student loans is about 13% or 87% are repaid (there are also private institutional student loan programs).

But is your contention, exactly? Federal grants and funding also play an important role in University funding across the nation. But funding from state sources -- which in some states = state taxes; in TN sales taxes and other tax progrmas -- is declining. That is not a red herring; it is a fact.
Per national funding, someone in Oregon or California also contributes, via tax dollars to those funding sources. So, do you want national referendums on state school policies?

 

[Slydell]

All that bill would require would be for the Board of Trustees to consider a topic of it had the signatures of 10,000 people, not actually do anything about it.

That was the biggest mistake the BOT made here, they refused to discuss this situation at all. If they had taken up the topic, even if their answer was just to say it's up to the AD to decide, then this is all a moot topic. By refusing to even discuss it, they just fueled the fire.

If something is important enough for 10,000 (or in this case 20,000) actual people, not online commenters, to sign a petition, then it's important enough for the BOT to at least include it as a topic for discussion. While they most certainly shouldn't be bound by the opinions of every person with a petition, they also shouldn't be able to ignore a topic that has generated this much interest.

True.

 

[Sandvol]

About 50% of UT system wide operating budget comes from tuition and fees:

http://www.tennessee.edu/budget/docs/FY15_Proposed.pdf.

The default rate on govt. issued student loans is about 13% or 87% are repaid (there are also private institutional student loan programs).

But is your contention, exactly? Federal grants and funding also play an important role in University funding across the nation. But funding from state sources -- which in some states = state taxes; in TN sales taxes and other tax progrmas -- is declining. That is not a red herring; it is a fact.
Per national funding, someone in Oregon or California also contributes, via tax dollars to those funding sources. So, do you want national referendums on state school policies?

13%? That's only a few hundred billion. Chump change. Nothing to worry about. And, the economy isn't even bad right now. Yes, and who do you think pays Federal taxes? Per national funding someone in Tennessee also contributes.

 

[Sandvol]

True.

It wasn't a mistake. They didn't want the people to figure out they supported the move.

 

[meekfan]

Another red herring. Most education is funded by student loans which are "guaranteed" by the federal government. Who's the federal government?

That would be nice if it were only true. Since less than 50% of UT's budget income comes from "Tuition & Fees" The University of Tennessee | System Budget Office
only that 1 component of Guaranteed Federal loans actually represents about 25% of UT's operating budget.

Who are you, Donald Trump?

 

[SGMVols]

They do, it is called doing what the people want, bring back the Lady Vols name.

I doubt more than 1% of all Tennesseans care about this. And that's probably being generous.

 

[gule]

I care.


bring back the "LADY VOLS",

fyar D Hart!

 

[Ladyvol777]

I doubt more than 1% of all Tennesseans care about this. And that's probably being generous.

Some people live like an Ostrich

 

[Sandvol]

That would be nice if it were only true. Since less than 50% of UT's budget income comes from "Tuition & Fees" The University of Tennessee | System Budget Office
only that 1 component of Guaranteed Federal loans actually represents about 25% of UT's operating budget.

Who are you, Donald Trump?

Yes, and almost 40% of it comes from the state. My point was a large majority of the funding is being paid for by the tax payers through either federal or state taxes. And, do you understand what a default rate of 13% means? The risk to taxpayers is much higher than the 13%. Also, most of the parents who do pay tuition are TN taxpayers too but reap the benefit of lower tuition on the backs of TN tax payers whose kids don't go there. TN tax payers pay about 50% of the bill through state and federal taxes. A red herring by any other name. Who are you, Hillary?

 

[Sandvol]

Let the taxpayer go away from any funding of college tuition either directly through state or federal taxes or indirectly through student loans. Then the University of Tennessee would go away. This notion that the taxpayer has no say in what goes on at the state universities is pure nonsense.

 

[GAVol]

I doubt more than 1% of all Tennesseans care about this. And that's probably being generous.

I don't know what the number is, but I can't believe it's very high. It's definitely one of those issues where the people that care REALLY care.

 

[madtownvol]

Yes, and almost 40% of it comes from the state. My point was a large majority of the funding is being paid for by the tax payers through either federal or state taxes. And, do you understand what a default rate of 13% means? The risk to taxpayers is much higher than the 13%. Also, most of the parents who do pay tuition are TN taxpayers too but reap the benefit of lower tuition on the backs of TN tax payers whose kids don't go there. TN tax payers pay about 50% of the bill through state and federal taxes. A red herring by any other name. Who are you, Hillary?

With a little research you will find that the fed govt. actually makes a (relatively) small profit on guaranteed student loans, despite the default rate.

2. UT, like many large state university, is actually an economic boon to the state; in other words, it is good investment of tax dollars (look up multiplier effect):
New Study: UT Knoxville Has $1.6 Billion Annual Economic Impact on the State | Tennessee Today


3. I am not sure where you got the idea that someone suggested that tax payers have no say in the University. However, when it comes to athletics--which are largely self-funding through revenue, private donations, the influence is more about "fans" (who voluntarily contribute $ via ticket and merchandise sales).

3A. Parents of college students are also tax payers as well. And for example not everyone drives the state highways as much as others but that is a collectively shared costs, as are fire dept., police departments, libraries, and many other components of the infrastructure that supports businesses and citizens. Of course privatize everything and if you don't have the $ to pay for the fire service when your house is on fire, well tough luck.

4. It is juist ironic that the legislature cares more about the Vol versus Lady Vol moniker while continuously redirected $ from supporting higher education to prisons.

 

[Sandvol]

I don't know what the number is, but I can't believe it's very high. It's definitely one of those issues where the people that care REALLY care.

Most people don't care enough to post on message boards or attend a rally or even bring it up in casual conversation. But, if you ask most people, most of them will tell you they'd rather the women's programs keep the name Lady Vols. That doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter to me what most people think. The thing that has pissed me off about this whole affair was Dave Hart lying about how this went down. It was indeed important for current and former Lady Vols to be asked and that is why he mentioned it. But he lied about it like the idiot he is. The women should have been asked. It should have been their decision. But they didn't ask because they might have gotten an answer they didn't like. It might not have met their agenda. It should not have been the BOT, or Jimmy Cheeks or Dave Hart or a bunch of liberal elitists who run the campus to make this decision but current and former Lady Vols. Whatever they would have decided would have been fine with me. It wouldn't have been fine with the agenda driven folks who made this decision.

 

[BearCat204]

Most people don't care enough to post on message boards or attend a rally or even bring it up in casual conversation. But, if you ask most people, most of them will tell you they'd rather the women's programs keep the name Lady Vols. That doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter to me what most people think. The thing that has pissed me off about this whole affair was Dave Hart lying about how this went down. It was indeed important for current and former Lady Vols to be asked and that is why he mentioned it. But he lied about it like the idiot he is. The women should have been asked. It should have been their decision. But they didn't ask because they might have gotten an answer they didn't like. It might not have met their agenda. It should not have been the BOT, or Jimmy Cheeks or Dave Hart or a bunch of liberal elitists who run the campus to make this decision but current and former Lady Vols. Whatever they would have decided would have been fine with me. It wouldn't have been fine with the agenda driven folks who made this decision.

You make some decent arguments for a lot of your grief with all of this, but this is absolutely, 100% not the case. It is not their decision at all and shouldn't be. And "agenda driven folks"? You mean the ones who's charged with making these kinds of decisions?

 

[madtownvol]

Most people don't care enough to post on message boards or attend a rally or even bring it up in casual conversation. But, if you ask most people, most of them will tell you they'd rather the women's programs keep the name Lady Vols. That doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter to me what most people think. The thing that has pissed me off about this whole affair was Dave Hart lying about how this went down. It was indeed important for current and former Lady Vols to be asked and that is why he mentioned it. But he lied about it like the idiot he is. The women should have been asked. It should have been their decision. But they didn't ask because they might have gotten an answer they didn't like. It might not have met their agenda. It should not have been the BOT, or Jimmy Cheeks or Dave Hart or a bunch of liberal elitists who run the campus to make this decision but current and former Lady Vols. Whatever they would have decided would have been fine with me. It wouldn't have been fine with the agenda driven folks who made this decision.

What a minute- you are blaming "the liberal elites" for changing the LVs name. You really think Cheeks or Hart are liberal elite; I think they are far more likely to be on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

But the name changes seems to have been a marketing-driven, business decision, and hence all about $ (about as conservative a logic as you can get) -- Nike did not want the LVs as a separate brand and they wielded the power of the big sponsorship deal. I personally think it was a bad call but Vols/Power T versus LVs is really not part of the liberal elite plo. We have too much to do already, what with stealing your guns, converting everyone to homosexuality, waging war on Xmas, and all....

Happy Holidays.

 

[Sandvol]

What a minute- you are blaming "the liberal elites" for changing the LVs name. You really think Cheeks or Hart are liberal elite; I think they are far more likely to be on the conservative side of the political spectrum.

But the name changes seems to have been a marketing-driven, business decision, and hence all about $ (about as conservative a logic as you can get) -- Nike did not want the LVs as a separate brand and they wielded the power of the big sponsorship deal. I personally think it was a bad call but Vols/Power T versus LVs is really not part of the liberal elite plo. We have too much to do already, what with stealing your guns, converting everyone to homosexuality, waging war on Xmas, and all....

Happy Holidays.

Oh, sure, just a business decision. Liberals would never do the obvious.

 

[Sandvol]

You make some decent arguments for a lot of your grief with all of this, but this is absolutely, 100% not the case. It is not their decision at all and shouldn't be. And "agenda driven folks"? You mean the ones who's charged with making these kinds of decisions?

So, the next hired gun can change it back?