A detail of civility...

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The people who defaced the capitol were teachers... or were at least accessories by being there when it happened and not attempting to stop it. At least some of the protesters holding hateful signs identified themselves as teachers.

Please tell me LG what you and the leftwing chorus would have said if a TP rally had illeglally occupied a state capitol building and only left after doing several million dollars worth of damage?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Distract or change the subject much?
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Exactly what did you just attempt?

The subject is union thuggery in the context of Obama's sensitivity to "incivility" in the public discourse. On this occasion, we KNOW that teachers behaved as thugs in their protests and treatment of public property. We can reasonably suspect that they or their supporters/associates issued a number of threats.

Are you a hypocrite like Obama or are you willing to say the union protesters were 100% wrong for the way they conducted themselves?
 
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sjt18 said:
Exactly what did you just attempt?

The subject is union thuggery in the context of Obama's sensitivity to "incivility" in the public discourse. On this occasion, we KNOW that teachers behaved as thugs in their protests and treatment of public property. We can reasonably suspect that they or their supporters/associates issued a number of threats.

Are you a hypocrite like Obama or are you willing to say the union protesters were 100% wrong for the way they conducted themselves?
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Incorrect. The OP was link to article about the threatening email and trying to analogize that to TP or other conservative candidates who have made irresponsible comments in their campaigns. I pointed out the two are not comparable and you said that the threat did not come from an anonymous nutjob, but from a teacher.

I called you out on that ridiculous statement and, as usual, you and your minions just fall back into rants and raves about other things.

You have no evidence a teacher sent it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for first making that absurd comment and second for refusing to correct it when it has been pointed out that you got your facts wrong.

Again.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Incorrect. The OP was link to article about the threatening email and trying to analogize that to TP or other conservative candidates who have made irresponsible comments in their campaigns. I pointed out the two are not comparable and you said that the threat did not come from an anonymous nutjob, but from a teacher.
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Teachers were involved in the thuggery regardless of whether they made any of the threats or not. However, it borders on delusional to think that none of those threats were made by someone from the people most intimately effected by the confrontation.

These aren't just "irresponsible comments". You really can't discern the difference between these protests and what you and other liberals condemned on the right just a few short months ago? These are numerous, direct threats. Did you see any pictures of the picket signs? Did you see pictures of the vandalism?

I called you out on that ridiculous statement and, as usual, you and your minions just fall back into rants and raves about other things.
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Nope. The point was and still is the hypocrisy of the left.

You have no evidence a teacher sent it. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for first making that absurd comment and second for refusing to correct it when it has been pointed out that you got your facts wrong.

Again.
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Good grief. If you could in fact demonstrate that my facts were wrong here then it would be the first time. And you of all people... you are the absolute king of jumping to conclusions. I have far more reason to believe teachers sent some of these threats than you do when you routinely accuse people of racism or your various condemnations of the TP.
 
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Will you or will you not acknowledge a) the thuggery shown by the union people involved in the Wi protest and b) the hypocrisy of left wingers for not condemning the "incivility"?
 
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I haven't liked unions lately. Yes I know without them we wouldn't have the 40 hr work week. But when you track me down to my address and show up uninvited at my doorstep imposing on my wife and 3 yr old daughter there is no way in #&!! i'll vote for you.
 
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Proof that teachers were the ones threatening?

A good portion of the people that protested were college age people. I'd be willing to bet that it was one of them.
 
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sjt18 said:
Will you or will you not acknowledge a) the thuggery shown by the union people involved in the Wi protest and b) the hypocrisy of left wingers for not condemning the "incivility"?
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Of course there are episodes of people going way past the limits of cordial debate and protesting and I am very critical of them. And that goes for whether the individuals who did those things just shouted absurd and incendiary things or actually vandalized some property, public or private.

I do not agree with taking an email from an anonymous person and simply assuming that it came from a teacher.

I think you'd get further with your last point if we knew where it came from. Its hard to compare it to a comment from Sharon Angle as an actual candidate for US Senate since we don't know who sent it. I mean, obviously, I condemn any death threat as criminal. But I'm not willing to assume it is somehow representative of a major person in politics, came form such a person, or represents anything other than the thoughts of the person that sent it, whoever that might be.



VOLatile said:
Proof that teachers were the ones threatening?

A good portion of the people that protested were college age people. I'd be willing to bet that it was one of them.
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As reasonable an explanation as the one suggested by sjt. Whoever sent it should be prosecuted.
 
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VOLatile said:
Proof that teachers were the ones threatening?

A good portion of the people that protested were college age people. I'd be willing to bet that it was one of them.
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Maybe but is that the standard the left was using a few months ago and has used consistently? I remember Clinton blaming conservative talk radio fo the OKC bombing. The left LOUDLY declared that right wing hate speech was destroying civility in America following the AZ shooting.

Even by your own admission though the logic might work in this case. Regardless of who issued the threats were they anything less than the direct result of unions and leftists fanning the flames? Surely you would admit that it is likely.

My point regardless of what straw man LG continues to try to burn down is that the left is incredibly hypocritical on these threats, the nature of the Wi protests, and the destruction of property there. Where is Obama or other liberal leaders calling down their allies for incivility?
 
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LG, was the extreme rhetoric of the protestors and their allies at fault for the vandalism and threats?

I am certain if the tables were turned and this was a conservative protest you would say yes... of course, widespread TP/conservative rallies have occurred with nothing like the problems stemming from this liberal protest.
 
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sjt18 said:
LG, was the extreme rhetoric of the protestors and their allies at fault for the vandalism and threats?

I am certain if the tables were turned and this was a conservative protest you would say yes... of course, widespread TP/conservative rallies have occurred with nothing like the problems stemming from this liberal protest.
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Was there a comment by a Democratic member of the Wisconsin government encouraging the teachers or other union representatives to, if all else fails, shoot the Republican governor?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Was there a comment by a Democratic member of the Wisconsin government encouraging the teachers or other union representatives to, if all else fails, shoot the Republican governor?
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More evasion. Why are you avoiding the issue?
 
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sjt18 said:
More evasion. Why are you avoiding the issue?
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You asked if the "extreme rhetoric" of the protestors was what caused vandalism. You asked that in an effort to deflect my point that what happened in Wisconsin in terms of rhetoric cannot actually be ascribed to any Dem politician and therefore is not comparable to what Sharon Angle said.

I don't think its me evading here, my friend.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You asked if the "extreme rhetoric" of the protestors was what caused vandalism. You asked that in an effort to deflect my point that what happened in Wisconsin in terms of rhetoric cannot actually be ascribed to any Dem politician and therefore is not comparable to what Sharon Angle said.

I don't think its me evading here, my friend.
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:whistling:

http://nhjournal.com/2011/02/23/dem-rep-to-unions-time-to-get-‘bloody’/#

I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary,” Rep. Mike Capuano (D-Ma.) told a crowd in Boston on Tuesday rallying in solidarity for Wisconsin union members.
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I believe that was referring to his menstruation cycle, volinbham. Simple misunderstanding.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You asked if the "extreme rhetoric" of the protestors was what caused vandalism. You asked that in an effort to deflect my point that what happened in Wisconsin in terms of rhetoric cannot actually be ascribed to any Dem politician and therefore is not comparable to what Sharon Angle said.

I don't think its me evading here, my friend.
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Yes. You really are evading. Sharon Angle lost. She is not part of this equation. She received blame from the left for the Az shooting though her comments nor those of conservative radio apparently had nothing to do with it. The accusation from the left was alluded to in many of the straight news stories about Az. The left absolutely did its best to tie two unrelated events together so they could assign blame to viewpoints that disagreed with them.

Just answer the question. Where are liberals now that their side did things MUCH worse than those they were so quick to condemn just a few months ago? Why the hypocrisy?

FWIW, I believe in free speech. I think they have a right to be as offensive as they want. I think they even have a right to use imagery to convey points that does not necessarily indicate that they would actually do harm to someone.

My point was and is that the left's silence on the behavior of their side in Wisconsin is a tremendous illustration of their inconsistency and hypocrisy. I guess you either condemn the actions or continue to identify yourself with the left wing hypocrites.
 
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FTR, where did Angle suggest shooting a governor or particular person? Can you provide the actual quote?
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. You really are evading. Sharon Angle lost. She is not part of this equation. She received blame from the left for the Az shooting though her comments nor those of conservative radio apparently had nothing to do with it. The accusation from the left was alluded to in many of the straight news stories about Az. The left absolutely did its best to tie two unrelated events together so they could assign blame to viewpoints that disagreed with them.

Just answer the question. Where are liberals now that their side did things MUCH worse than those they were so quick to condemn just a few months ago? Why the hypocrisy?

FWIW, I believe in free speech. I think they have a right to be as offensive as they want. I think they even have a right to use imagery to convey points that does not necessarily indicate that they would actually do harm to someone.

My point was and is that the left's silence on the behavior of their side in Wisconsin is a tremendous illustration of their inconsistency and hypocrisy. I guess you either condemn the actions or continue to identify yourself with the left wing hypocrites.
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Link?
 
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lawgator1 said:
He should not have said that and was roundly criticized by all sides.

Looking for some criticism of Angle from the GOP for saying what she said about Second Amendment remedies.....



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lawgator1 said:
He should not have said that and was roundly criticized by all sides.

Looking for some criticism of Angle from the GOP for saying what she said about Second Amendment remedies.....



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Here's where I disagree. I don't have a problem with him saying that. It was an expression. He did not incite violence.

Angle used an expression and I seriously doubt she was advocating violence or killing anyone.

The civility issue is a BS political ploy to stifle political speech of one side. The lack of reaction to the Wisconsin situation is full-fledged proof.
 
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