A firearms proposal

#26
#26
the criminal would pay in both your scenarios (except for the fact he's most likely broke and that's why he's stealing)

and when did pawning become a crime? Chumlee is in big trouble
 
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#27
lawgator1 said:
All you naysayers:

If your parent or spouse or child was in a convenience store buying gas and some thug comes in and paralyzes them with a gunshot, and then you learn that the gun was stolen out of someone else's car and was in plain view for the auto burglar, would you not feel that the original owner is an idiot and that your family member, injured through no fault of their own, ought to be able to seek compensation for the original owner's negligence?

Or how about if the original owner you learned had pawned the gun somewhere? And then it was bought by the thug and then used. Wouldn't you feel that someone pawning a gun ought to know that it is a dangerous thing to do?
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Bad things happen every day. It sucks but its been that way since the dawn of time.

And pawn shops are obligated to do a background check the same as any other gun dealer, so I'm not following you on that.
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lawgator1 said:
All you naysayers:

If your parent or spouse or child was in a convenience store buying gas and some thug comes in and paralyzes them with a gunshot, and then you learn that the gun was stolen out of someone else's car and was in plain view for the auto burglar, would you not feel that the original owner is an idiot and that your family member, injured through no fault of their own, ought to be able to seek compensation for the original owner's negligence?

Or how about if the original owner you learned had pawned the gun somewhere? And then it was bought by the thug and then used. Wouldn't you feel that someone pawning a gun ought to know that it is a dangerous thing to do?
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could you prove that the gun was in clear sight in the car? or could it be the car was broken into and they found the gun in the process?
 
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#29
So conversely, LG, it would be okay with you if I rigged deadly booby traps in my house that would instantly kill any trespasser as a way to guarantee that nobody steals my guns and uses them in a crime?

When I leave my house, I lock my door. This is all the precautions I should have to take.

I heard a line in a cowboy movie the other day that seems to apply to you; no insult intended, but "You're old enough to be half as stupid."
 
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lawgator1 said:
All you naysayers:

If your parent or spouse or child was in a convenience store buying gas and some thug comes in and paralyzes them with a gunshot, and then you learn that the gun was stolen out of someone else's car and was in plain view for the auto burglar, would you not feel that the original owner is an idiot and that your family member, injured through no fault of their own, ought to be able to seek compensation for the original owner's negligence?

Or how about if the original owner you learned had pawned the gun somewhere? And then it was bought by the thug and then used. Wouldn't you feel that someone pawning a gun ought to know that it is a dangerous thing to do?
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this is a very convoluted example, but what evidence would I have that this criminal wouldn't have obtained a firearm otherwise or used a knife to disable the driver?
 
#31
#31
My guess is that 85 % of gun owners could not tell you the serial number to said gun and thats could be too low a guess. That goes a long way towards recovery. So people plese document not only the sn for guns but for electronics as well. It is a tremendous aid to LE.
 
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J-P said:
So conversely, LG, it would be okay with you if I rigged deadly booby traps in my house that would instantly kill any trespasser as a way to guarantee that nobody steals my guns and uses them in a crime?

When I leave my house, I lock my door. This is all the precautions I should have to take.

I heard a line in a cowboy movie the other day that seems to apply to you; no insult intended, but "You're old enough to be half as stupid."
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actually thanks to LG's counterparts the thief could sue you for getting hurt in your house while robbing you. Skip the booby traps Data
 
#33
#33
So if someone steals my truck, shoots someone with my pistol in the console and then wrecks into a school playground, I'm liable?

Seems like good logic, LG.
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cd12 said:
My guess is that 85 % of gun owners could not tell you the serial number to said gun and thats could be too low a guess. That goes a long way towards recovery. So people plese document not only the sn for guns but for electronics as well. It is a tremendous aid to LE.
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I have every serial number of every weapon on a memory stick as well as hard copies.
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cd12 said:
My guess is that 85 % of gun owners could not tell you the serial number to said gun and thats could be too low a guess. That goes a long way towards recovery. So people plese document not only the sn for guns but for electronics as well. It is a tremendous aid to LE.
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Ahhh... something worthwhile comes out of this thread after all. Now I have something else on my "to do" list. Thanks, I guess... :p
 
#36
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cd12 said:
My guess is that 85 % of gun owners could not tell you the serial number to said gun and thats could be too low a guess. That goes a long way towards recovery. So people plese document not only the sn for guns but for electronics as well. It is a tremendous aid to LE.
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Well said and great advice.

But LG's proposal puts the fiscal responsibility on those who originally owned the weapon on not on the person who fired the weapon to kill someone.
 
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#37
so who's liable if the guy breaks in, steals my gun and later shoots me? Can I sue myself or does the criminal just get off free since LG sees this as justice?
 
#38
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NYYVol said:
So if someone steals my truck, shoots someone with my pistol in the console and then wrecks into a school playground, I'm liable?

Seems like good logic, LG.
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If you shoot them to try to halt the theft of said truck, you're liable also. :crazy:
 
#39
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J-P said:
If you shoot them to try to halt the theft of said truck, you're liable also. :crazy:
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I can agree with that. This proposal of lg's is nuts, though. Typical.
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#41
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utvolpj said:
so who's liable if the guy breaks in, steals my gun and later shoots me? Can I sue myself or does the criminal just get off free since LG sees this as justice?
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You'll be sued for mental damages by the plaintiff who fired the weapon in defense of his safety because you wanted to hurt him for breaking into your home.
 
#42
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utvolpj said:
so who's liable if the guy breaks in, steals my gun and later shoots me? Can I sue myself or does the criminal just get off free since LG sees this as justice?
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Now I'm actually glad I kept reading this thread.
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
could you prove that the gun was in clear sight in the car? or could it be the car was broken into and they found the gun in the process?
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What? You don't already know that that's what a criminal is breaking into the car in the first place for.....the strong possibility that there is a gun in there somewhere? you are so dumb, you are really dumb, fo real.
 
#47
#47
This thread reminds me a bit of the situation where some criminal breaks into somebody's house at night, gets hurt, and sues the homeowner for negligence.
 
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kev20 said:
What? You don't already know that that's what a criminal is breaking into the car in the first place for.....the strong possibility that there is a gun in there somewhere? you are so dumb, you are really dumb, fo real.
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this made me laugh
 
#49
#49
lawgator1 said:
All you naysayers:

If your parent or spouse or child was in a convenience store buying gas and some thug comes in and paralyzes them with a gunshot, and then you learn that the gun was stolen out of someone else's car and was in plain view for the auto burglar, would you not feel that the original owner is an idiot and that your family member, injured through no fault of their own, ought to be able to seek compensation for the original owner's negligence?

Or how about if the original owner you learned had pawned the gun somewhere? And then it was bought by the thug and then used. Wouldn't you feel that someone pawning a gun ought to know that it is a dangerous thing to do?
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No to all of it.

And my dad was shot in the head several years ago.
 
#50
#50
LG can you tell me how a 100% ban on guns is going to stop a Mexican from getting a gun made outside of the US? I know in the liberal world all guns are made and sold in the US but there are alot of guns produced and bought outside of the US.
 
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