A good overview of the offensive scheme favored by Butch Jones

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allenrikvik said:
excellent lesson. Timing offenses have always concerned me. For gambling with my money, I would always good with the killer defense to beat the finesse offense. If the defense canjust disrupt the timing, they have advantage.
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting this, but aren't all offenses in some shape or form based upon timing? The Coryell teams, Walsh, really any prominent offense. Sid Gillman pretty much made it a mainstay that 3 step/5 step/7 step passes were a core part of any passing game. Walsh took it to the next level with big steps and variations of hitches.
 
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Agree, offenses are based on timing to varied degree. I have taken the view that the higher finesse type offense (more complexity and individual reads/routes) are more prone to timing disruptions. Example - the Spurrier FL teams. never thought that the QB were that good, but the WR could read/get off line, allowing QB to (nearly blindly) throw to a spot and the WR would be there. In converse, with TN vs Fl last 2 years, the Fl DB jammed our guys at the line and stopped our routes, impacting our passing game. I will not mention that i was really peeved that we did not exploit our TE.
 
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allenrikvik said:
Agree, offenses are based on timing to varied degree. I have taken the view that the higher finesse type offense (more complexity and individual reads/routes) are more prone to timing disruptions. Example - the Spurrier FL teams. never thought that the QB were that good, but the WR could read/get off line, allowing QB to (nearly blindly) throw to a spot and the WR would be there. In converse, with TN vs Fl last 2 years, the Fl DB jammed our guys at the line and stopped our routes, impacting our passing game. I will not mention that i was really peeved that we did not exploit our TE.
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To that degree, if they're playing man free/0/c2 most offenses have route adjustments. It is pretty much an unwritten rule for the #1 to run an outside release if that is the case. It is also something that I addressed in another thread--Chaney struggled with attacking the middle of the field and seams. We didn't see much field compression either which in return makes it 10 x harder for crossing routes that absolutely destroy man. I think any good offense should have answers for press/jam. The problem occurs when you get freak athletes that show a 2 shell and start buzzing/sky/blitzing before the snap--Ed Reed types.
 
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allenrikvik said:
Agree, offenses are based on timing to varied degree. I have taken the view that the higher finesse type offense (more complexity and individual reads/routes) are more prone to timing disruptions. Example - the Spurrier FL teams. never thought that the QB were that good, but the WR could read/get off line, allowing QB to (nearly blindly) throw to a spot and the WR would be there. In converse, with TN vs Fl last 2 years, the Fl DB jammed our guys at the line and stopped our routes, impacting our passing game. I will not mention that i was really peeved that we did not exploit our TE.
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In terms of our utilization of the tight end, are you referring specifically to the Florida game or in general? Either way, Rivera had 4 receptions for 47 yds. and a touchdown vs. Florida, which was a little above his per-game average for the season. And he broke Jason Witten's single-season record for receiving yardage for that position, finishing with 562 yds. on 36 receptions ( UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics - Football ).
 
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Jones has said he would run a pro-style offence a few times since taking the job. Anyone think we could see more of the Michigan influence in his offenses here? Different conference with different talent all around...? You gotta think he's been watching Bama and LSU win conference games like the rest of us have and they do it with D and pro-style offences.
 
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on the TE usage, was referring to both. In Florida, the db were focused on the outside and left the inside open for both passing and runs. Overall, I really thought that the TE would be the used more and benefit from R Rogers departure.
 
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Vol4life09 said:
The more I read the more concerned I get.

After reading those write ups and reviews of Butch Jones's offensive scheme and philosophies I believe we are even more screwed than I thought originally. In the SEC his offense will require for us to recruit an athlete on the level of Cam Newton, RGIII, or Johnny Manzel(sp.) every other year and I'm not convinced that THIS staff can do that. If we don't have a quarterback of that caliber as a starter and a backup then we will never compete in the East let alone in the conference.
This conference cannot be won by a running back that throws the occasional pass unless that person is an absolute beast.

If he continues with this philosophy and the use of this scheme, our defense will have to be among the nations leaders every year in order to give us a chance.

Sorry guys I am a fan and always have been but I'm afraid I see frustration in the years to come.
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What write-up were you reading...?
 
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Vol4life09 said:
The more I read the more concerned I get.

After reading those write ups and reviews of Butch Jones's offensive scheme and philosophies I believe we are even more screwed than I thought originally. In the SEC his offense will require for us to recruit an athlete on the level of Cam Newton, RGIII, or Johnny Manzel(sp.) every other year and I'm not convinced that THIS staff can do that. If we don't have a quarterback of that caliber as a starter and a backup then we will never compete in the East let alone in the conference.
This conference cannot be won by a running back that throws the occasional pass unless that person is an absolute beast.

If he continues with this philosophy and the use of this scheme, our defense will have to be among the nations leaders every year in order to give us a chance.

Sorry guys I am a fan and always have been but I'm afraid I see frustration in the years to come.
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"This year we didn't have a running quarterback," Jones said at his introduction last week. "We made a change midway through the year [to] a drop-back passer. We're going to play to strengths of our players, and our offense is quarterback-oriented.
"Make no mistake about it: Around the country, whether it's high school, college or professionals, it starts with the quarterback. There's only two individuals who touch the ball on every snap: the center and the quarterback. The quarterback is critical to our football team, so we'll base our offense around the quarterback's skill set."
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Mel Kiper recommends another UT year for Tyler Bray | timesfreepress.com
 
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Sounds like Ferguson will be a really good fit for this offense. He's got a big arm to make the throws and, while not a burner, is athletic and good at escaping the pocket and making plays.
 
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allenrikvik said:
on the TE usage, was referring to both. In Florida, the db were focused on the outside and left the inside open for both passing and runs. Overall, I really thought that the TE would be the used more and benefit from R Rogers departure.
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Thanks for the clarification. The only real flaw I can find with use of the TE position in the Florida game is that I don't recall them using the intermediate to deep routes down the middle to Rivera, which we hit several times over the course of the season. As a general trend, however, you are pointing to one of the longstanding historical deficiencies of Tennessee offenses. We have been so successful at recruiting great wide receivers that we have neglected the tight end position, at times relegating it to a glorified blocking sled. When an All-Pro caliber athlete like Jason Witten formerly held the all-time single-season record, with something like 480 yds., you aren't milking the position for all that it is worth.
 
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I am still waiting until after I see the product on the field before I make judgements.... but.

With all of that aside I'm not sure how that guy in the article was defending Jones at all (if he even was trying). Sounds to me like Jones has a complex offense that is hard to learn and is not flexible at all, so if you don't have the specific QB the offense is designed for you will be hurting. VS Kelly's which is very adaptable, easy to learn, and can work with any personnel package you have... Just going off that, I'd say Kelly's wins hands down.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
What write-up were you reading...?
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The one that said:


"Jones on the hand does have an ideal QB type. I said it yesterday, and I will say it again now. Dan Lefevour is the guy for Jones offensive system. He is big, has a strong arm and though he is not a burner, he is eminently capable of defeating a defense with his legs."
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
I am not sure if this has been linked elsewhere in its entirety, but the following sources provide a good comparative analysis of the offensive schemes and, thus, personnel packages and specific skill-sets favored by former Cincinnati coach Brian Kelly and our new coach, Butch Jones:

The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 1 - Down The Drive

The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 2 - Down The Drive

The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 3 - Down The Drive
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Tyler Bray could not, cannot and will not be able to run this offense. :lolabove:
 
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Vol4life09 said:
The one that said:


"Jones on the hand does have an ideal QB type. I said it yesterday, and I will say it again now. Dan Lefevour is the guy for Jones offensive system. He is big, has a strong arm and though he is not a burner, he is eminently capable of defeating a defense with his legs."
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And from that, you got:

a running back that throws the occasional pass
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How bizarre...
 
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OrangeYankee said:
I am still waiting until after I see the product on the field before I make judgements.... but.

With all of that aside I'm not sure how that guy in the article was defending Jones at all (if he even was trying). Sounds to me like Jones has a complex offense that is hard to learn and is not flexible at all, so if you don't have the specific QB the offense is designed for you will be hurting. VS Kelly's which is very adaptable, easy to learn, and can work with any personnel package you have... Just going off that, I'd say Kelly's wins hands down.
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I think this written after cbj's first season at Cincinnati? So, before he had the success the past couple years.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
I am still waiting until after I see the product on the field before I make judgements.... but.

With all of that aside I'm not sure how that guy in the article was defending Jones at all (if he even was trying). Sounds to me like Jones has a complex offense that is hard to learn and is not flexible at all, so if you don't have the specific QB the offense is designed for you will be hurting. VS Kelly's which is very adaptable, easy to learn, and can work with any personnel package you have... Just going off that, I'd say Kelly's wins hands down.
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"This year we didn't have a running quarterback. We made a change midway through the year [to] a drop-back passer. We're going to play to strengths of our players, and our offense is quarterback-oriented."
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CBJ's UT press conference.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
I am not sure if this has been linked elsewhere in its entirety, but the following sources provide a good comparative analysis of the offensive schemes and, thus, personnel packages and specific skill-sets favored by former Cincinnati coach Brian Kelly and our new coach, Butch Jones:

The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 1 - Down The Drive

The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 2 - Down The Drive

The Difference Between Butch Jones and Brian Kelly: Part 3 - Down The Drive
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Nice find brother I'm enjoying your posts I just now found this thread and this completely explains what I was trying to in that Kipper thread
 
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azVolFan said:
I think this written after cbj's first season at Cincinnati? So, before he had the success the past couple years.
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I believe you are correct. The three articles are dated May 13th, 15th and 16th, respectively. All textual and statistical references compare the 2009 and 2010 seasons and all photographs are dated 2010.
 
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Volfather said:
Nice find brother I'm enjoying your posts I just now found this thread and this completely explains what I was trying to in that Kipper thread
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Thank you very much. The kind of positive reinforcement which you provide is an attribute that has been all too lacking in recent dialogue on this board.
 
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