A good overview of the offensive scheme favored by Butch Jones

[Brianchevy]

Do we even have a QB to run this system.

QB or RB or WR or OL or TE or anybody???

quick answer NO this is why we need to give Coach Jones 4 years before we judge him at all. He has to get rid of all these 300 lb offensive linemen, pocket QB and physical receiver/ RB and get the right guys in for his system. Dooley recruited an SEC roster, this style does not require SEC size, so we'll have to have a few losing seasons before we "get it".

Hope VN is prepared for a few more years of losing, it'll take that to get the system working in knoxville.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

It will be interesting, indeed, to see how much Butch Jones tweeks his offensive scheme to deal with the superior athletes he will face on SEC defenses. I doubt if he has had to contend with very many agile 330-lb. defensive tackles or fast 260-lb. linebackers in the MAC.

 

[Orange_Crush]

QB or RB or WR or OL or TE or anybody???

quick answer NO this is why we need to give Coach Jones 4 years before we judge him at all. He has to get rid of all these 300 lb offensive linemen, pocket QB and physical receiver/ RB and get the right guys in for his system. Dooley recruited an SEC roster, this style does not require SEC size, so we'll have to have a few losing seasons before we "get it".

Hope VN is prepared for a few more years of losing, it'll take that to get the system working in knoxville.

Hogwash.



CBJ recruited Peterman to his system at Cinci before he came here.

Our WRs are talented.

We have the most talented/athletic OL we have had in a long time. His system depends on great pass blocking, which our OL performed exceptionally well at last year. The running game depends on the OL moving the DL (as a whole) in one direction or the other, creating cut-back seams for the runner to find daylight in a spread out secondary. Our Ol will be able to do that.

It requires a quick, agile running back that can cut back through the seams and make big plays in the open field. This suits our existing RBs perfectly since they are not all "power-back, drag a pile of defenders, three yards and a cloud of dust" backs.

CBJ has already stated that he will fit the scheme to personnel instead of the personnel to scheme. He switched from a DT QB to pocket passer half-way through the season last year and continued winning.

 

[Brianchevy]

Hogwash.

so you want to judge CBJ on his first year, right away expecting wins? Ok, check. I 'll mark you down for 8 wins next year. thanks for your prediction.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Just to refresh you on the conversation, in response to whether CBJ has a QB to run his system, you said:

QB or RB or WR or OL or TE or anybody???

quick answer NO this is why we need to give Coach Jones 4 years before we judge him at all. He has to get rid of all these 300 lb offensive linemen, pocket QB and physical receiver/ RB and get the right guys in for his system. Dooley recruited an SEC roster, this style does not require SEC size, so we'll have to have a few losing seasons before we "get it".

Hope VN is prepared for a few more years of losing, it'll take that to get the system working in knoxville.

In response to your assertion that we will have 3-4 more losing seasons, I said: (Note, I included my full quote, which detailed his system's needs, an overview of our roster, and proof of CBJ's ability to work around personnel.)

Hogwash.



CBJ recruited Peterman to his system at Cinci before he came here.

Our WRs are talented.

We have the most talented/athletic OL we have had in a long time. His system depends on great pass blocking, which our OL performed exceptionally well at last year. The running game depends on the OL moving the DL (as a whole) in one direction or the other, creating cut-back seams for the runner to find daylight in a spread out secondary. Our Ol will be able to do that.

It requires a quick, agile running back that can cut back through the seams and make big plays in the open field. This suits our existing RBs perfectly since they are not all "power-back, drag a pile of defenders, three yards and a cloud of dust" backs.

CBJ has already stated that he will fit the scheme to personnel instead of the personnel to scheme. He switched from a DT QB to pocket passer half-way through the season last year and continued winning.

so you want to judge CBJ on his first year, right away expecting wins? Ok, check. I 'll mark you down for 8 wins next year. thanks for your prediction.

I didn't write any predictions. You did, hombre. I just showed how your predictions of 3-4 losing seasons were built on falsehoods.

It may take some time for the current roster to learn the scheme; we can agree on that. But to predict losing seasons because we don't have the roster to run the scheme... Well, that's just false, so I still call hogwash.

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[Wood Man]

Great articles. As a common fan who really never played the game (except in the backyard) and sure as hell never coached, it gave me an even greater appreciation for what actually goes on. Number one, its pretty damn complicated, and a lot of the descriptions of the plays, etc. went way over my head. I think it would be fun to see my Vols doing some of that different stuff though! Can't wait til spring practice.

 

[Vol4life09]

And from that, you got:

How bizarre...

Come on man, I'm not one to get on here and pick fights with people, and constantly ***** and moan to others, but you can't take my post and cut it up leaving out an important part and use it to make yourself look better than you are.
It's "bizarre" That you left out the important part where it says: (unless that person is an absolute beast)
My original sentence in the post that you cut up says:
"This conference cannot be won by a running back that throws the occasional pass unless that person is an absolute beast"

And this speaks to my concern to whether or not this staff can bring in this kind of talent on a year to year basis which means that if they don't get a dual threat quarterback that is more than "just a running back that can throw the occasional pass", Then we are set up for a lot of let downs. Now go peddle your junk somewhere else.
Nowhere in that post did I say that any of this is fact, it is ALL my opinion and I stated as much. Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one…… some people just speak (or type) from theirs.

 

[Vol4life09]

It will be interesting, indeed, to see how much Butch Jones tweeks his offensive scheme to deal with the superior athletes he will face on SEC defenses. I doubt if he has had to contend with very many agile 330-lb. defensive tackles or fast 260-lb. linebackers in the MAC.

Exactly this says it all if he can adjust and does take it to heart that the SEC is a whole different animal than what he's faced then we could be good. I believe Coach Jones has got what it takes to be a good coach but his offense, unless it is just absolutely loaded with "extreme Talent", is not going to work in the SEC year in year out.

Here's to hoping that he catches on and leads us on a brighter future!!!

 

[Volosaurus rex]

I will predict, based purely on the trajectory of previous rebuilding jobs at Tennessee, that Jones is able to recruit at the level necessary to make his offense work in the SEC. Now, that is not to say that his offense, as it is now structured, does not undergo minor or, perhaps, major schematic change in the process.

Looking back to the Majors era, however, the offense turned the corner before the defense, in terms of reaching SEC-caliber personnel. The same thing was beginning to happen with Dooley. Unfortunately for him, the defense was so bad that even 480 yds. and 36 pts. per game was insufficient to win on a regular basis.

In both cases, recruitment of defensive personnel was the weak link. Under Majors, our defenses never did stockpile the great athletes, particularly on the defensive line, that Fulmer did in his heyday. I attribute this to the generally weak instate recruiting base, particularly with repect to SEC-caliber linemen. We have finished bridesmaids far too often in the recruitment of out-of-state defensive tackles.

 

[darkgable]

Come on man, I'm not one to get on here and pick fights with people, and constantly ***** and moan to others, but you can't take my post and cut it up leaving out an important part and use it to make yourself look better than you are.
It's "bizarre" That you left out the important part where it says: (unless that person is an absolute beast)
My original sentence in the post that you cut up says:
"This conference cannot be won by a running back that throws the occasional pass unless that person is an absolute beast"

And this speaks to my concern to whether or not this staff can bring in this kind of talent on a year to year basis which means that if they don't get a dual threat quarterback that is more than "just a running back that can throw the occasional pass", Then we are set up for a lot of let downs. Now go peddle your junk somewhere else.
Nowhere in that post did I say that any of this is fact, it is ALL my opinion and I stated as much. Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one…… some people just speak (or type) from theirs.

Opinions can also be ridiculous. I trust his record over keyboard opinions that are open to ridicule. You want to be right but it doesn't make it so. Even if it is your opinion. You weren't hired and you don't recruit. You haven't won 4 championships in 6 years. You weren't involved in the hiring process. Just because you may have played in pee wee or Xbox or watch every sports show in existence doesn't validate your thought process.

 

[LotteryPick]

Peterman (not Peterson) is exactly what Jones needs for his offense.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Come on man, I'm not one to get on here and pick fights with people, and constantly ***** and moan to others, but you can't take my post and cut it up leaving out an important part and use it to make yourself look better than you are.
It's "bizarre" That you left out the important part where it says: (unless that person is an absolute beast)
My original sentence in the post that you cut up says:
"This conference cannot be won by a running back that throws the occasional pass unless that person is an absolute beast"

And this speaks to my concern to whether or not this staff can bring in this kind of talent on a year to year basis which means that if they don't get a dual threat quarterback that is more than "just a running back that can throw the occasional pass", Then we are set up for a lot of let downs. Now go peddle your junk somewhere else.
Nowhere in that post did I say that any of this is fact, it is ALL my opinion and I stated as much. Opinions are like a-holes everyone has one…… some people just speak (or type) from theirs.

Not trying to pick an internet fight, nor make myself look any particular way. You misrepresented factual evidence, and I merely tried to correct the record. I found it incredible that you interpreted a description of a mobile quarterback, and rephrased it as "a running back that throws the occasional pass."

1. That is not what the article described.
2. Anyone that has watched CBJ's offense can easily see that's not what he runs. He runs an offense that relies on an accurate QB that throws many more than "the occasional pass"..

That is not opinion. That is fact. One can read the article that you quoted and see the fact that it described a QB; not a running back under center. One can watch game film and see the evidence of a QB under center, executing what QBs are asked to execute, in a pass-balanced offense.


I find it ironic that you mistakenly attributed facts as opinion, defended your right to have your (mistaken) opinion, and then told me to "take your junk and peddle it elsewhere."



That's classic.


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[Orange_Crush]

Opinions can also be ridiculous. I trust his record over keyboard opinions that are open to ridicule. You want to be right but it doesn't make it so. Even if it is your opinion. You weren't hired and you don't recruit. You haven't won 4 championships in 6 years. You weren't involved in the hiring process. Just because you may have played in pee wee or Xbox or watch every sports show in existence doesn't validate your thought process.

I really didn't intend to step on toes, nor start an "internet fight" with him. But to add your statement, and reiterate my previous post. Opinions are not facts, and facts trump opinions.

Facts:

1. The post in question caricatured an article and rephrased it as" a running back throwing the occasional pass."
2. The article caricatured described a mobile QB, and actually highlighted the skills needed by the QB while minimizing running skills.
3. CBJ's offense has historically relied upon a balanced passing game, throwing more than "the occasional pass."

One can have the opinion that the offense will not succeed. This opinion may or may not be true. But this opinion is questionable if it is shown to be based on misrepresented or misunderstood factual evidence.


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[tngivem6]

Jones plays are really basic, but they require two things, precise route running from the receivers and quarterbacks who can stand tall in the pocket and make plays

Looks like CP wouldn't fit this system, we all k ow his route running style.
Bray, though not mobile at all, can stand tall in the pocket and deliver the passes.

 

[deckerkd]

Peterman.

Yes, as the matter of a fact, Peterman was highly recruited by Butch Jones while Jones was at Cinci.