A History Lesson.

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#76
zjcvols said:
It's not going to be easy to replace Pearl, because there will be some fans who will be uneasy because he's the guy replacing Pearl. However, one thing UT is good at is supporting their coach (almost to a fault). Look at how we defended everything Kiffin did.

The expectations aren't bad. Here's the expectations right now (no NCAA Sanctions).

- Make the tourney every year.
- 20 wins with a good OOC schedule.
- Sweet 16 every two or three years.
- Compete for the regular season title every year.
- Do well against our rivals (Vandy/UF/UK/Memphis)

That's definitely not impossible.
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Its not impossible, no, but I have to disagree with you that they are reasonable. Making the tourney every year is something that very few programs can do over a period of, say, a decade. Especially with so many of the very best players frequently leaving early. And Sweet 16 every 2-3 years? That's pretty tough over any sustained period of time.

And I don't direct those comments to UT, per se. I think all SEC programs, except for Kentucky probably, would be satisfied with a little bit less than you outlined. Say, making the NCAA tournament 7 out of 10 years, making the Sweet 16 at least 2 of those 7 times. That alone would be quite an accomplishment.
 
#77
#77
I think people are just afraid because we were bad for soo many years before BP, and everyone is thinking that we are going to go back to that once he is gone. As long as they hire the right person, I don't think that will happen.
 
#78
#78
onevolfan said:
I think people are just afraid because we were bad for soo many years before BP, and everyone is thinking that we are going to go back to that once he is gone. As long as they hire the right person, I don't think that will happen.
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I agree. I think you will be as good, if not better. Depends on who you get, obviously. My point was that I think that, all things considered, there are probably going to be a lot of coaches with interest in the job.
 
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#80
ReebaVol said:
Pearl made me a basketball fan when I didn't even like the sport! I'm going back to not giving a crap anymore! Is it football season yet?
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If you wanted to keep Pearl after all of this mess, then you never really did care did you? See you in two seasons, bandwagon rider.
 
#82
#82
iflipburgers said:
Another foolish comparison, see if UNC will trade any starter they have for Hopson, even the 2 Kentucky schools did not offer him, a leftover headed for Turkey at best. Harris is the only example but it took Bruce 5 years to get 1 top recruit. Whatever coach is hired will do no better than Bruce in recruiting and never duplicate the Harris recruitment. Look around, the top basketball schools are getting 2 or 3 top 40 picks every year. UT 1 every 5 years. The next coach can't depend on recruiting.
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Scotty was offered by UK, UL, Cincy, Texas, Ms State, and UT....among perhaps others. (Source: Scotty Hopson - Yahoo! Sports)
 
#83
#83
lawgator1 said:
Its not impossible, no, but I have to disagree with you that they are reasonable.
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With due respect, that is what we have come to expect over the past few years. Pearl has reached the tournament in 17 out of the 19 seasons he has coached, regardless of the school. We'll take those odds. Sweet Sixteen every 2 or 3 years - OK, that is perhaps a bit too high but you'd like to be at least favored to do so. Compete against rivals and challenge for the conference title - why not?

Who knows - maybe we'll get a Bill Self (circa 1997) or a Rick Barnes (circa 1998) that can build a program. Instead, we may get a Josh Pastner (circa 2009): nice guy but definitely not able to sustain the momentum from the previous administration. (Reminds me of the first girlfriend you get after the tough breakup. Great date but she's usually just not "the one".)

I have my fingers crossed, not knowing what to really expect but hoping for the former!
 
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globadoc said:
Scotty was offered by UK, UL, Cincy, Texas, Ms State, and UT....among perhaps others. (Source: Scotty Hopson - Yahoo! Sports)
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Big difference in offer and scholarship. Do you really believe Hopson had scholarship offers from UK and UL and chose UT? Scotty could not get a solid commitment from them and chose UT, they did not try to turn him.

Point was Bruce has done a lot with a little and without the benefit of top 50 players. We are lucky to 1 or 2 borderline guys like Hopson every 5 years while the basketball schools get 2 or 3 each season. UT could sign Roy Williams and this fact would not change. Could Roy take Bruce's last 5 teams and do as well? Maybe, but only as well not better.
 
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onevolfan said:
I think people are just afraid because we were bad for soo many years before BP, and everyone is thinking that we are going to go back to that once he is gone. As long as they hire the right person, I don't think that will happen.
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and go to the final four every year if it were as easy as that. There is no "right person"--only a guy the AD rolls the dice with, has a hunch with--and then crosses his fingers. It's hard to find the "right" coach--that's why so many guys get sacked after four years.
 
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armchair said:
and go to the final four every year if it were as easy as that. There is no "right person"--only a guy the AD rolls the dice with, has a hunch with--and then crosses his fingers. It's hard to find the "right" coach--that's why so many guys get sacked after four years.
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I hear guys talking about basketball the same way we talk about football. The basketball coach will do no better than the players he is able to recruit. You can hire anyone you like but that will not change the level of players that will be recruited to UT. Football we have no limits, basketball we do. We can't even get the top players in our state.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I agree. I think you will be as good, if not better. Depends on who you get, obviously. My point was that I think that, all things considered, there are probably going to be a lot of coaches with interest in the job.
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Now, here's a Gator with some sense about him (on this subject :p ).
 
#89
#89
hatvol96 said:
Once, an orange wearing school south of the Mason Dixon line hired a northerner fond of bronzer to run their struggling basketball program. His teams pressed and gunned threes at a dizzying pace and the program reached a previously unseen level of consistent success. Then, scandal hit and the tanned man on the sidelines was exiled. "Woe is us!", cried his sycophants. "It's back to the scrapheap for us!" A less flamboyant, but more stable, coach was brought to town. A funny thing happened. The new coach took the base the bronzer aficianado had built and pushed the program even higher.

Texas basketball survived the transfer of power from Tom Penders to Rick Barnes just fine. Tennessee will do the same with the transition from Bruce Pearl to To Be Determined.
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So good coaches are just falling out of the sky! You sir have crossed the line. Your continued criticism and apparent personal hatred of Bruce Pearl has surpassed what any decent human being would say about another.

Regardless of what you spew out of your vile mouth the fact remains that Bruce Pearl is perhaps the second best basketball coach in Tennessee history. He has been the cash-cow at UT since Fulmer ran the football program into the ground and has kept the athletic department coffers full of coin.

I understand that this is a chat-board and there are very few consequences for what is posted..... But I doubt that you would ever say the things you have said about Pearl to his face! What goes around comes around. Perhaps your next mistake will cost you your job!!! I hope that you receive an equal measure of the hatred you have shown to Bruce Pearl, a freaking basketball coach.
 
#90
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lawgator1 said:
Its not impossible, no, but I have to disagree with you that they are reasonable. Making the tourney every year is something that very few programs can do over a period of, say, a decade. Especially with so many of the very best players frequently leaving early. And Sweet 16 every 2-3 years? That's pretty tough over any sustained period of time.

And I don't direct those comments to UT, per se. I think all SEC programs, except for Kentucky probably, would be satisfied with a little bit less than you outlined. Say, making the NCAA tournament 7 out of 10 years, making the Sweet 16 at least 2 of those 7 times. That alone would be quite an accomplishment.
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Making the NCAA tournament, especially these days, only 7 out of 10 times is an embarrassment. Make it 9/10 and I'd agree.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Now, here's a Gator with some sense about him (on this subject :p ).
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I think that freak should start a list of those who believe that the Tennessee basketball program will be as good or better in the event that Pearl is released.

Actually, I will go ahead and start compiling the list and will post it (if and when Pearl gets canned). At least there will be some accountability for the garbage that people put on this board!!!!!!
 
#93
#93
yea and you are soooooo connected to Pearl and the administration....

you should take your own advise about knowing who you are talking to or about....apparently you have no idea who I am but yet I know who you are.... in fact I met you before a UT football game at a tailgate, I guess my memory is better than yours....

you really should not try to posture yourself as an insider (or someone who actually has Pearl's ear).... do you really think that anyone on this board believes you have said this garbage to Pearl himself????

nevertheless, I do not resort to name calling unlike you...
 
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#94
#94
omghulkhands said:
You lose more credIbility as each day passes with comments like this, I expect more from a person that signs each blog post with stay classy volnation. It is not the content of your post that is disappointing, but rather the way it is conveyed so crudely. I assumed the mod post "keep it civil" would apply to everyone.
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Can I just say thank you.....
 
#95
#95
patrick said:
yea and you are soooooo connected to Pearl and the administration.... you should do likewise....

apparently you have no idea who I am but yet I know who you are.... in fact I met you before a UT football game at a tailgate, I guess my memory is better than yours....

you really should not try to posture yourself as an insider (or someone who actually has Pearl's ear).... do you really think that anyone on this board believes you have said this garbage to Pearl himself????

nevertheless, I do not resort to name calling unlike you...
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See, that's where clowns like you always fall flat. Never claimed I'm close with Pearl. Why would I be close with someone I wouldn't spit on if they were ablaze? However, Pearl and his minions know where to find me. If they would like to discuss anything face to face, I'm sure I can fit it in my schedule. As to the administration, I guarantee I'm more popular with the folks in the offices in TBA and Stokely right now than Pearl is.
 
#96
#96
hatvol96 said:
I'm losing credibility with you, the kind of person who actually bought Bruce Pearl's act? How will I sleep at night?
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Your assumption that I ever have supported cbp in any form has no grounds. My avatar is purely comical and has no semblance of what I believe or ever did believe if that is what you are basing those judgements on because i have surely never expressed my opinion on cbp in any fashion to my knowledge on this board. You are becoming jaded with your constant pearl and pearl supporter bashing and now you are even falsely accusing me of such action. You have been so pretentious and self absorbed lately your behavior nearly reflects that of cbp. Even though many times you are right about a subject many people disregard it due to the fact it is so muddled with your egocentric babble
 
#97
#97
patrick said:
you should take your own advise about knowing who you are talking to or about....apparently you have no idea who I am but yet I know who you are.... in fact I met you before a UT football game at a tailgate, I guess my memory is better than yours....
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Actually, that just shows you're the kind of guy who doesn't register. I meet a lot of people. The dull and the unremarkable are all one faceless mob to me.
 
#99
#99
90VOL said:
Sorry Hat but I can't agree with you on this one. Pardon the pun but you are comparing apples to oranges here. Tennessee doesn't have the recruiting base that Texas does when it comes to basketball. Unless we find another diamond in the rough or a coach from a mid-major that runs a system similar to Pearls, UT will not win on a consistent basis. I've been watching and attending UT basketball games since the early 80's and these past 6 years have been the greatest run in our history. It will be very difficult to top that or even stay in that same level of consistency.
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Sorry, but you're comparing apples to footballs. A basketball team can be turned around a helluva lot faster with a player or two than a football program due to the sheer number of players on the field/court.
 
#100
#100
hatvol96 said:
Again, you posit that as if I give the first damn what "many people" think.
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I just doubt you would have nearly 48,000 posts in a message board if you did not care what other people think, if that were the case you would keep to yourself and just read them like many people do. I am not attacking you, I just feel that you are being a catalyst for for an unnecessary rift taking place on this message board
 
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