A little fuel to the "Pac-10 vs. everyone else" fire

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IPorange said:
Care to analyze the match ups?
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Only ones I remember
#6 Southern California @ Arkansas
#12 California @ #23 Tennessee
#18 Tennessee @ #12 California
#18 Tennessee @ California-Los Angles
California-Los Angles @ Tennessee
#7 Oregon @ Tennessee
 
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mchandl7 said:
Only ones I remember
#6 Southern California @ Arkansas
#12 California @ #23 Tennessee
#18 Tennessee @ #12 California
#18 Tennessee @ California-Los Angles
California-Los Angles @ Tennessee
#7 Oregon @ Tennessee
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There was an LSU-Washington match up right?
 
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SamRebel35 said:
There was that one really good matchup between the number one ranked Trogenz and the 88th ranked Razorbacks who were starting Midge Mustang at QB as a frosh. That's a definite indicator that the Pac10 is superior to the SEC.
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The Trojans only played 3 of those 13 wins. So minus USC....

Still 9-8.

Which is interesting cause the go-to argument about the Pac-10 during the majority of the BCS era has been 'USC and the 9 dwarves.' But the other 9 have been doing just fine versus the SEC.... :hmm:
 
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mchandl7 said:
Only ones I remember
#6 Southern California @ Arkansas
#12 California @ #23 Tennessee
#18 Tennessee @ #12 California
#18 Tennessee @ California-Los Angles
California-Los Angles @ Tennessee
#7 Oregon @ Tennessee
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Oregon also played a home and home against Mississippi State.
 
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Nightowl said:
The Trojans only played 3 of those 13 wins. So minus USC....

Still 9-8.

Which is interesting cause the go-to argument about the Pac-10 during the majority of the BCS era has been 'USC and the 9 dwarves.' But the other 9 have been doing just fine versus the SEC.... :hmm:
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Notice how it's the best the Pac-10 has to offer, versus middle to low tier SEC teams. Sans LSU of course, who's won all their match ups.
 
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Barely.

Beaver fans still bemoan that game, Alexis Serna (who won the best PK award) hits a couple PAT's and they take down LSU on the road.

I forget how their game against UDub went though.
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milohimself said:
And OSU. LSU won both by the skin of their teeth iirc.
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I've come to realize losing close to LSU doesn't anything while Miles is the coach.


As far as LSU-OSU, that was still Saban, and it was pretty shocking to see a kicker miss 3 extra points in a 1 point overtime loss. Especially a kicker like Serna who turned out to be great.

LSU seems to have been the beneficiary of a lot of horrible kicking games in the last decade or so. Immediately, these games come to mind:
2004 OSU (3 missed extra points)
2004 Auburn may have been but the kicker got another chance after missing an extra point
2005 Auburn (John Vaugh went 1 for 6, and missed the last field goal off the upright in overtime)
2006 Auburn resulted in a loss despite another crappy day by the same kicker from the previous year
2007 SEC title game (Lincoln missed a couple field goals and we may have had a chance to win at the end if not for that)

Some other games, I'm sure.
 
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I have no reservations about calling LSU the luckiest team over the last decade. It seems like every season they end up winning multiple games they have no business winning.
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milohimself said:
I have no reservations about calling LSU the luckiest team over the last decade. It seems like every season they end up winning multiple games they have no business winning.
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And I'm ab it surprised they snuck into either national title game.
 
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Their 2 loss championship team IMO is the worst squad to win a national title since BYU.
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Bumi said:
Notice how it's the best the Pac-10 has to offer, versus middle to low tier SEC teams. Sans LSU of course, who's won all their match ups.
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#12 California @ #23 Tennessee
#18 Tennessee @ #12 California
#18 Tennessee @ UCLA
UCLA @ Tennessee
#8 USC @ #6 Auburn
Oregon @ Mississippi State
Mississippi State @ Oregon
Washington State @ #6 Auburn (best we have to offer vs. lower tier huh?)

A lot of those games look pretty even to me. Some look to be the exact opposite of what you're arguing.
 
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Did some research and this is what I've come up with. Hopefully, I didn't leave any games out from '02-'10. From the looks of it - the PAC 10 and the SEC have had some pretty even results. Obviously, Tennessee losing three consecutive games to unranked PAC 10 teams hurt the SEC in this argument.

2002: Auburn (9-4, #16) @ USC (11-2, #4) - USC wins 24-17
2002: Mississippi State (3-9, NR) @ Oregon (7-6, NR) - Oregon wins 36-13

2003: USC (12-1, #2) @ Auburn (8-5, NR) - USC wins 23-0
2003: Arizona (2-10, NR) @ LSU (13-1, #1) - LSU wins 59-13
2003: Oregon (8-5) @ Mississippi State (2-10, NR) - Oregon wins 42-34

2004: Oregon State (7-5, NR) @ LSU (9-3, #16) - LSU wins 22-21

2005: Arkansas (4-7, NR) @ USC (12-1, #2) - USC wins 70-17
2005: LSU (11-2, #5) @ Arizona State (7-5, NR) - LSU wins 35-31

2006: USC (11-2, #4) @ Arkansas (10-4, #16) - USC wins 50-14
2006: Cal (10-3, #14) @ Tennessee (9-4, #23) - Tennessee wins 35-18
2006: Arizona (6-6, NR) @ LSU (11-2, #3) - LSU wins 45-3
2006: Washington State (6-6, NR) @ Auburn (11-2, #8) - Auburn wins 40-14

2007: Tennessee (10-4, #12) @ Cal (7-6, NR) - Cal wins 45-21

2008: Tennessee (5-7, NR) @ UCLA (4-8, NR) - UCLA wins 27-24
2008: Georgia (10-3, #13) @ Arizona State (5-7, NR) - Georgia wins 27-10

2009: LSU (9-4, #17) @ Washington (5-7, NR) - LSU wins 31-23
2009: UCLA (7-6, NR) @ Tennessee (7-6, NR) - UCLA wins 19-15
2009: Arizona State (4-8, NR) @ Georgia (8-5, NR) - Georgia wins 20-17

2010: Oregon (11-0, #2) @ Tennessee (6-6, NR) - Oregon wins 48-13



PAC 10 vs SEC: 10-9

PAC 10 Ranked vs SEC Ranked: 2-1

SEC Ranked vs PAC 10 Non Ranked: 7-1
PAC 10 Ranked vs SEC Non Ranked: 3-0

SEC Non Ranked vs PAC 10 Non Ranked: 1-4


Team Record:

Auburn: 1-2
Arizona: 0-2
Arizona State: 0-3
Arkansas: 0-2
Cal: 1-1
Georgia: 2-0
LSU: 5-0
Mississippi State: 0-2
Oregon: 3-0
Oregon State: 0-1
Tennessee: 1-4
UCLA: 2-0
USC: 4-0
Washington State: 0-1
 
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TennesseeOrange said:
Tennessee is 1-4 against pac-10 on that list. Beat Cal, lost to cal, ucla twice, and oregon.
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Yeah, it really sucks that we crammed all of our Pac 10 games into the worst 5 year span of Tennessee football in the last 20 years. We didn't really represent what Tennessee football and SEC football are all about.
 
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I think Oregon will crush Auburn. Stanford would compete with any team in the SEC.
 
#46
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Really hope we get to see a Mallett vs. Luck match-up in the Sugar Bowl.

edited to add - just realized that under any scenario, this would mean that the Sugar Bowl selected Stanford over Ohio State. No way that happens
 
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I can't argue against the fact that the SEC has won 4 titles in a row, and I won't.

What bothers me is the "SEC SEC" crowd that is flaunting that it has 10 bowl-eligible teams. Ted Miller highlights two really important points that work against the Pac-10 (although personally I prefer it even though it hurts the conference): a nine-game conference schedule, and the toughest OOC scheduling by far.

A 9-game schedule automatically gives five Pac-10 teams one extra loss guaranteed. Couple this with a tough nonconference slate and you'll see a lot of teams that are punished by it:

Cal: 5-7 (Loss at #14 Nevada)
Washington: 5-6 (Loss to #13 Nebraska)
Oregon St: 5-6 (Losses at #3 TCU, at #9 Boise St)
UCLA: 4-7 (Loss at Kansas St).

Considering there is still one game pending for OSU, UCLA, Washington, ASU and all their rivals, you see a lot of teams that are on the brink of a bowl but just not quite there.

That's not even getting into the issue of home games vs. away games. Nobody played 8 home games this year in the Pac-10 and many teams, including Oregon and Stanford, only played 6 home games.

The Pac-10 may be down this year but there is no doubt that scheduling issues play a role in its perceived frailty. Having said that, I wouldn't change it for anything. Playing home-and-homes with big teams is a lot of fun, and the 9-game conference slate is something that everyone but the SEC will be adopting next year.
 
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no excuse to not be bowl eligible in this years pac-10. the conference stinks. i completely agree with it being easier for sec teams in general though with the extra joke nonconfernece game.
 
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Zenitram said:
I can't argue against the fact that the SEC has won 4 titles in a row, and I won't.

What bothers me is the "SEC SEC" crowd that is flaunting that it has 10 bowl-eligible teams. Ted Miller highlights two really important points that work against the Pac-10 (although personally I prefer it even though it hurts the conference): a nine-game conference schedule, and the toughest OOC scheduling by far.

A 9-game schedule automatically gives five Pac-10 teams one extra loss guaranteed. Couple this with a tough nonconference slate and you'll see a lot of teams that are punished by it:

Cal: 5-7 (Loss at #14 Nevada)
Washington: 5-6 (Loss to #13 Nebraska)
Oregon St: 5-6 (Losses at #3 TCU, at #9 Boise St)
UCLA: 4-7 (Loss at Kansas St).

Considering there is still one game pending for OSU, UCLA, Washington, ASU and all their rivals, you see a lot of teams that are on the brink of a bowl but just not quite there.

That's not even getting into the issue of home games vs. away games. Nobody played 8 home games this year in the Pac-10 and many teams, including Oregon and Stanford, only played 6 home games.

The Pac-10 may be down this year but there is no doubt that scheduling issues play a role in its perceived frailty. Having said that, I wouldn't change it for anything. Playing home-and-homes with big teams is a lot of fun, and the 9-game conference slate is something that everyone but the SEC will be adopting next year.
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The Pac-10 lost most of their big OOC games this season. Pointless to schedule them if you can't win em. I think Arizona's win over Iowa was the Pac's biggest OOC win this season.

And I personally don't see the big deal with playing 9 conference games. Being forced to play Washington and Washing State every season isn't scary.
 
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