A Song of Ice and Fire discussion (chock full of spoilers)

#26
#26
Three headed dragon= dany, aegon, & Jon Snow

They'll fight a war against the others and win riding on the backs of dragons
 
#29
#29
Yeah, this is the largest departure from the books so far. Not sure how I feel about it. No coldhands but they're captured by mutinous night's watchmen? Don't think I like that development. If they kill off Hodor, I will seriously be pissed.
 
#30
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vader said:
They are deviating quite a bit from the books at this point
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It's hard for me to tell at times since I just started Book 5.

The whole Theon/Ramsey thing must be in B5. The mutineers at Crastners didn't occur prior to Mance raiding the Wall. I don't know if it ever takes place and if Bran shows up there.

Also, isn't the guy who Roose sent to the Wall Vargo? He should be dead by now.
 
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volinbham said:
It's hard for me to tell at times since I just started Book 5.

The whole Theon/Ramsey thing must be in B5. The mutineers at Crastners didn't occur prior to Mance raiding the Wall. I don't know if it ever takes place and if Bran shows up there.

Also, isn't the guy who Roose sent to the Wall Vargo? He should be dead by now.
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The Theon/Ramsey thing is handled much differently in the book. Bran never made an appearance at Crastner's, nor did they capture his direwolf.

The guy who Roose sent to the wall did not even appear in the books. He has seemingly replaced Vargo in the show, but Roose sending someone to the Wall to track down the Stark kids did not happen.

I have a couple of coworkers who are huge fans of the books who are basically talking about giving up on the show now because they are so mad about some of the changes.

I am watching with my wife, who has never read the books, so I am willing to go with the flow a bit.
 
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vader said:
The Theon/Ramsey thing is handled much differently in the book. Bran never made an appearance at Crastner's, nor did they capture his direwolf.

The guy who Roose sent to the wall did not even appear in the books. He has seemingly replaced Vargo in the show, but Roose sending someone to the Wall to track down the Stark kids did not happen.

I have a couple of coworkers who are huge fans of the books who are basically talking about giving up on the show now because they are so mad about some of the changes.

I am watching with my wife, who has never read the books, so I am willing to go with the flow a bit.
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Thanks - I don't mind the changes; I just can't at this point tell if they are changes!
 
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volinbham said:
It's hard for me to tell at times since I just started Book 5.

The whole Theon/Ramsey thing must be in B5. The mutineers at Crastners didn't occur prior to Mance raiding the Wall. I don't know if it ever takes place and if Bran shows up there.

Also, isn't the guy who Roose sent to the Wall Vargo? He should be dead by now.
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The Theon/Ramsey story line should get more interesting in the show as it gets pretty involved in the last book. It's hard to keep straight because now they're combining things from books 3, 4, and 5 this season. I understand that they're doing it for continuity purposes and to help the audience understand, but they are leaving out some good stuff. The scrapped the Vargo character in the TV show and the whole section of the book when Arya is held captive in Harrenhall. The "weasel soup" section if you will. Locke is kind of a combo of Vargo in that he captures Jamie and Brienne and takes them to Harrenhall. That's really where the similarities stop. Now, if I remember correctly, someone is sent to the wall or it was planned to send someone to spy on/kill Jon Snow either by Cercei or someone else. I can't remember. But he's not really a POV character so you don't hear much about it. So Locke might be a version of that character and story line also. Who knows.
 
#34
#34
(I heard)

The TV show is going to go in chronological order so it will have things happening at different times than the books. Some of the stuff they have already shown doesnt happen until book 4 or 5?

I dont mind the change up of introducing the Night King, helps confirm a theory that was going around. Since GRRM doesnt seem to want to finish the books.
 
#35
#35
Bran never sniffed Crastner's keep and the rebel Night's watch guys never captured Hodor. Jon never went back to Crastner's to kill the rebel Night's watch guys.
 
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I'm in the camp that is very concerned with what the producers are going to do with season 5. I realize that material will be drawn from books 4 & 5 and an emphasis will be placed on Dorne, but is that enough to build off of a tremendous season 4?
 
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JohnMarxism said:
I'm in the camp that is very concerned with what the producers are going to do with season 5. I realize that material will be drawn from books 4 & 5 and an emphasis will be placed on Dorne, but is that enough to build off of a tremendous season 4?
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It'd be a time to introduce LSH IMO. Go back to a part of an older story for an awesome handful to a dozen scenes.
 
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JohnMarxism said:
I'm in the camp that is very concerned with what the producers are going to do with season 5. I realize that material will be drawn from books 4 & 5 and an emphasis will be placed on Dorne, but is that enough to build off of a tremendous season 4?
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I think the main problem is that the characters are more spread out than ever before in books 4 and 5 but they don't have nearly the density of "holy s***" moments as book 3. It should be more like season 1 where pieces are put into place, but instead of the characters being clustered in four places they're spread out over 10-15. It will definitely be interesting.

Hopefully we get some casting news at Comic-Con or something, because there should be more important new characters introduced this season than ever before.
 
#41
#41
For season 5 I'm looking forward to the war for the north and the golden company's invasion.

Having read all 5 books I'm not particularly in interested in the current storylines of Danerys, Tirion, the Iron Islanders other than Theon, Sam Tarly, Sansa, Arya and the Dornish court. It's like they're all in suspended animation while some really compelling action is happening elsewhere.
 
#42
#42
Please go easy on discussing events that have not happened yet; there's another thread for book readers. Not saying your above post is a spoiler, though...
 
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SWIL said:
Please go easy on discussing events that have not happened yet; there's another thread for book readers. Not saying your above post is a spoiler, though...
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It's easy to get crosswise with what came from where. I'm guessing that a lot of book stuff will be left out and they may have to make up some new stuff to tie things together.
 
#46
#46
Guys seriously would y'all chill out with the LSH thing? Even if it's not going to happen posting the name of the actress is a dead giveaway of what you're talking about. There's a thread specifically for book readers to discuss the future of the show.
 
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#47
I don't get the outrage over not including LSH for season 5. She was a minor character in AFFC that didn't really get a chance to do anything of consequence. She might have a bigger role to play in the last two books, but there's still plenty of time on the TV show to introduce the character in a later season.
 
#48
#48
LSH is anything but a minor character. However, I do understand that the producers have to make decisions on what to cut out in order to get the best possible 10 episode season.
 
#49
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JohnMarxism said:
LSH is anything but a minor character. However, I do understand that the producers have to make decisions on what to cut out in order to get the best possible 10 episode season.
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You're technically right about her not being a minor character. I should have rephrased that. She just wasn't a huge part of the plot of the 4th and 5th books. I'm sure she will have an expanded and very important role in the next two books, but for right now, she isn't as integral to the story as the Dornish are. The show runners have plenty of time to add her in season 6 or beyond. It just seems to be the big thing sticking in the craws of all the nerds when it's really not that big of a deal.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
You're technically right about her not being a minor character. I should have rephrased that. She just wasn't a huge part of the plot of the 4th and 5th books. I'm sure she will have an expanded and very important role in the next two books, but for right now, she isn't as integral to the story as the Dornish are. The show runners have plenty of time to add her in season 6 or beyond. It just seems to be the big thing sticking in the craws of all the nerds when it's really not that big of a deal.
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I agree with what you're saying. This next season will revolve around Dorne, and as you said, LSH's storyline just won't be necessary. To be fair, ASOIAF readers (as with any book series readers) are very passionate about the show staying true to the books. It certainly has caused a great amount of conversation for the show itself and encouraged fans of the show to read the books.
 
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