abortion doctor charged of murder

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I hope that Sharpton and Jackson have told the doctor that he's SOL on this one.
 
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azVolFan said:
2. The pro-abortion crowd will turn this guy into the victim.
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very few people in this country would be considered "pro-abortion" so that's just a name made up to make them look bad.

and this would fall into pro-murder and not pro-abortion anyway and I don't know anyone who falls into that group
 
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Can't think of one person that's pro-abortion. While I support abortion legislation, I'm certainly not pro-abortion. In the end, the woman will find a way to get rid of an unborn child if desired. Abortion is just usually a more humane way to do it... I do not support late-term abortion.
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utvolpj said:
very few people in this country would be considered "pro-abortion" so that's just a name made up to make them look bad.
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Question -

Would you consider the people that caused such a stir over Tebow's Super Bowl commercial pro-choice or pro-abortion?

IMO, if you are pro-choice then you would have to say that abortion and life are viable options and both should be given equal weight and consideration with no complaints. It at least appears to me that there are many "pro-choice" people who want to completely silence pro-life people. That just really doesn't compute in my book as being anything less than "pro-abortion".

JMO
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Question -

Would you consider the people that caused such a stir over Tebow's Super Bowl commercial pro-choice or pro-abortion?

IMO, if you are pro-choice then you would have to say that abortion and life are viable options and both should be given equal weight and consideration with no complaints. It at least appears to me that there are many "pro-choice" people who want to completely silence pro-life people. That just really doesn't compute in my book as being anything less than "pro-abortion".

JMO
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I don't believe there is a sizable % of people who could be deemed pro-abortion. I personally don't care about Tebow. He's probably against abortion because it cuts into his circumcision gig :) (and I first read that as Tecmo Bowl and was very confused)

Pro-choice means exactly that, give the person the right to make their own decision. Which way they go is not of my concern but they should have the right to choose their own path.

The opposite of that is the pro-life crowd. Seems they are working much harder to remove any choice a person might have. Not sure I understand how adding choice is silencing someone. However I can see the opposite being true
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't believe there is a sizable % of people who could be deemed pro-abortion. I personally don't care about Tebow. He's probably against abortion because it cuts into his circumcision gig :) (and I first read that as Tecmo Bowl and was very confused)

Pro-choice means exactly that, give the person the right to make their own decision. Which way they go is not of my concern but they should have the right to choose their own path.

The opposite of that is the pro-life crowd. Seems they are working much harder to remove any choice a person might have. Not sure I understand how adding choice is silencing someone. However I can see the opposite being true
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I'm not referring to Tebow himself but what he was representing. If you are indeed pro-choice, then your stance should be that pro-life is an option.

There were several groups lobbying NBC (I think it was them?) and trying everything within their power to nto air a pro-life commercial. I just don't see how how that adds up.
 
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These acts are repugnant, putting it mildly. I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control per se. Abortion should not be a simple solution to irresponsible behavior. However, I do not agree with overturning Roe v Wade. I don't agree with some of the reasons people get abortions, but I can see why some would make this choice. If we want abortion gone to a large degree, we need to stop bickering over legality and start meeting the needs of those women who choose abortion because they feel they have no other options. Churches do this some, but not nearly enough. Stop sending money to lawyers to fight abortion and start donating to groups that support women who want to carry their child but feel they have no other choice.

Late term abortion of a viable fetus is indefensible.
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I personally am very torn on the abortion issue and find myself waffling quite a bit on various legislative efforts to curb it. I understand the arguments both sides make.

I also feel that the right wing's absolutist, take-no-prisoners,misleading labels ploys (i.e, calling people "pro-abortion") tend to undermine their better arguments. But then again they aren't always arguing from a position of reason on it.

Not saying they are wrong, by the way, just that I think their nomenclature tends to obfuscate their argument.
 
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JayVols said:
These acts are repugnant, putting it mildly. I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control per se. Abortion should not be a simple solution to irresponsible behavior. However, I do not agree with overturning Roe v Wade. I don't agree with some of the reasons people get abortions, but I can see why some would make this choice. If we want abortion gone to a large degree, we need to stop bickering over legality and start meeting the needs of those women who choose abortion because they feel they have no other options. Churches do this some, but not nearly enough. Stop sending money to lawyers to fight abortion and start donating to groups that support women who want to carry their child but feel they have no other choice.

Late term abortion of a viable fetus is indefensible.
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Good post. Bold is solid.
 
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I am somewhat with LG on this one, I'm torn in this debate and it is a very complicated issue for me. I respect a womans right to her body but there is the right of of an unborn child involved as well.

The one good thing in this particular case is that no matter where you fall in this debate it's obvious to all that this guy deserves to rot in jail for life if the charges against him are indeed true.
 
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azVolFan said:
1. This guy is probably just one in a thousand.
2. The pro-abortion crowd will turn this guy into the victim.
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1. Back that up... otherwise it's just silly speculation from a silly point of view.

2. The idiots will... everyone else will realize that this was just a sick, disturbed man who had the means to perform these acts.

But hey, we all can't be sensible enough to distinguish abortion from straight up murder. We ARE human, aren't we?

JayVols said:
These acts are repugnant, putting it mildly. I don't agree with abortion as a form of birth control per se. Abortion should not be a simple solution to irresponsible behavior. However, I do not agree with overturning Roe v Wade. I don't agree with some of the reasons people get abortions, but I can see why some would make this choice. If we want abortion gone to a large degree, we need to stop bickering over legality and start meeting the needs of those women who choose abortion because they feel they have no other options. Churches do this some, but not nearly enough. Stop sending money to lawyers to fight abortion and start donating to groups that support women who want to carry their child but feel they have no other choice.

Late term abortion of a viable fetus is indefensible.
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Excellent post, especially the latter half.

I myself dislike the thought of aborting a fetus, but I support the right to letting the mother choose... even if such circumstance applied to myself.
 
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Last I checked abortion was passed by the Supreme court as population control and had nothing to do with the right to choose. These aren't my words either and I'm not taking it out of context.

"Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don't want to have too many of." Ginsburg herself in 2009.


There's your liberal agenda all you liberal lovers.

It is also why if you kill a mother and her unborn child in a car accident you are convicted of TWO murders. Funny huh.

Abortion is murder flat out. Just because the left wants to keep just enough blacks in the country to get their votes but not enough to take control doesn't make it a "woman's right to choose" topic. That crap is just a way to slide in the real reason abortion was deamed legal. Maybe one day the left will actually try to help raise the black population up through actual education standards instead of acting like they are (laughable at best) and then suddenly abortion will no longer be legal.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Abortion is murder flat out. Just because the left wants to keep just enough blacks in the country to get their votes but not enough to take control doesn't make it a "woman's right to choose" topic. That crap is just a way to slide in the real reason abortion was deamed legal. Maybe one day the left will actually try to help raise the black population up through actual education standards instead of acting like they are (laughable at best) and then suddenly abortion will no longer be legal.
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Uhhh, say what?

I mean, I think there are plenty of ways that the folks on the hill are trying to use in keeping minorities down, so it's not like I'm close-minded in that regard... but this is just... out there.

EDIT: You know the majority of women having an abortion are white, right?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Uhhh, say what?

I mean, I think there are plenty of ways that the folks on the hill are trying to use in keeping minorities down, so it's not like I'm close-minded in that regard... but this is just... out there.

EDIT: You know the majority of women having an abortion are white, right?
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Are you disagreeing with me or Justice Ginsburg?

She's the one who said she passed it due to population control ... not me.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Uhhh, say what?

I mean, I think there are plenty of ways that the folks on the hill are trying to use in keeping minorities down, so it's not like I'm close-minded in that regard... but this is just... out there.

EDIT: You know the majority of women having an abortion are white, right?
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Your stats are both correct and misleading. Whites make up 60% of all abortions due to overall population size but black women are having abortions at a rate of 3 times more per person. That's the stats.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Are you disagreeing with me or Justice Ginsburg?

She's the one who said she passed it due to population control ... not me.
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You took a minor inference and ran with it.

It was more the bit about how abortion won't be legal if we solve the minority crisis that made the post reek a little bit.
 
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Ihatethebuckeyes said:
Your stats are both correct and misleading. Whites make up 60% of all abortions due to overall population size but black women are having abortions at a rate of 3 times more per person. That's the stats.
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The notion that this was designed and has remained legal for the purpose of controlling the population of minorities is misleading.

You also need to think outside the box. Why are the ratios for minorities that much higher? Contraceptives cost money. Where's the effort in lowering the cost of contraceptives around this country? If you take a large enough group of poor minorities and quarantine them to specific parts of every major American city... abstinence isn't exactly a priority. I'm honestly surprised the ratio is that low.

And what of Hispanic women? How do their abortion rates factor into your equation? (or Ginsburg's words, for that matter)
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Question -

Would you consider the people that caused such a stir over Tebow's Super Bowl commercial pro-choice or


IMO, if you are pro-choice then you would have to say that abortion and life are viable options and both should be given equal weight and consideration with no complaints. It at least appears to me that there are many "pro-choice" people who want to completely silence pro-life people. That just really doesn't compute in my book as being anything less than "pro-abortion".

JMO
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