Abortion: Should Rowe vs Wade be Overturned?

Should Rowe vs Wade be overturned?

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#226
#226
Georgef said:
Gee i making spelling and grammer errors now...i better hide for with you around I know i won't be safe.
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you'll be plenty safe, but if you'd revert back to at least your broken English, we can at least understand one another part of the time.
 
#228
#228
Georgef said:
OH one of those who prefer spanish as our primary language?
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that was very clever. Just an offshoot of the legendary playground taunt "I'm an idiot? You're the idiot." or the ever popular "I'm rubber, you're glue....."
 
#233
#233
Don't sweat it. I find this debate pretty fascinating, I just don't like to see it muddled down with name-calling.
 
#234
#234
What is this world coming to, milo is a mod??????

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VolByBirth said:
If the debate were clear that a fetus under 12 weeks of age was "a person" then your argument would stand. There is no concrete evidence and this is where the argument lies.
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Are you, then, willing to concede the pro-life argument in regard to the fetus that is over 12 weeks of age?
 
#236
#236
Yes i would agree with the 12 weeks of age...and more.....I am not going to strike out in words....but i do believe that since abortion has become legal...it is used much much more. Its become more than choice but a convenient option.....48,000,000 is just to much to accept as "had to do it".
 
#237
#237
I do believe that many women use it as a form of birth control, which is wrong IMO.
 
#238
#238
6 weeks fetus ------------------->
The embryo is about 1/6 inch long and has developed a head and trunk.

We speak of 12 weeks being acceptable...lets look at 6 weeks...the heart is beating...lets do a count down.

Development of fetus

Structures that will become arms and legs, called limb buds, begin to appear.

Blood is beginning to be pumped through fetal circulation.

Heartbeat is visible by ultrasound. (yes the heart is beating at 6 weeks yes 6 weeks)
 
#239
#239
Lets go down to 3 weeks....
18-25 DAYS: The baby is only 1/100 of an inch long, but his tiny heart is already beating. By the 20th day, the foundation for the nervous system is laid down.

Do you need to procede to less time?....when will we lose our excuse?
 
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Georgef said:
Lets go down to 3 weeks....
18-25 DAYS: The baby is only 1/100 of an inch long, but his tiny heart is already beating. By the 20th day, the foundation for the nervous system is laid down.

Do you need to procede to less time?....when will we lose our excuse?
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who needs excuses. The law is very clear.
 
#241
#241
George,

As long as you are counting weeks, I believe 23 weeks is the earliest a baby has been able to survive outside the womb.
 
#242
#242
Fine and i agree...let them go term...and live like you and i...all i ask for....email me and i will tell you a long story...and maybe you will understand.
 
#243
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Headed For Home said:
Are you, then, willing to concede the pro-life argument in regard to the fetus that is over 12 weeks of age?
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I can understand the Pro-Life argument after 12 weeks. I won't concede to it though. I simply don't base my argument on the same framework as Pro-Life (when does life begin). I believe there are a myriad of gray area issues that can give an excuse for an abortion after 12 weeks (for example, many of the serious health issues can't be discovered until 20 weeks or so). It's a muddled issue - -I will certainly concede to that.

Things I don't agree with though: (1) There shouldn't be a time limit on abortion rights and (2) that conception equals a human "person". Everything else is up for debate in my eyes and this is why I understand the two sides of the fence.
 
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VolByBirth said:
I can understand the Pro-Life argument after 12 weeks. I won't concede to it though. I simply don't base my argument on the same framework as Pro-Life (when does life begin). I believe there are a myriad of gray area issues that can give an excuse for an abortion after 12 weeks (for example, many of the serious health issues can't be discovered until 20 weeks or so). It's a muddled issue - -I will certainly concede to that.

Things I don't agree with though: (1) There shouldn't be a time limit on abortion rights and (2) that conception equals a human "person". Everything else is up for debate in my eyes and this is why I understand the two sides of the fence.
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Fair statement. Where do you think the line should be drawn? Only for medical reasons? No partial birth?

I would LIKE to see the abortion laws overturned. Assuming that doesn't happen - and probably won't any time soon - we must place better restrictions on abortion. A law banning partial birth abortions was actually voted down in Washington. This is one area where I can see no debate.

Even when we disagree about the broader subject, we need to demand that something is done in some of these catagories.
 
#245
#245
George, my friend, im sure we agree on alot of issues, but you are really making a point of why people look down on folks from Evangelical churches.

There are many guys on the board who are regular churchgoers, and who love the Constitution, who disagree with you.

I am against infanticide, or "Late Term Abortion", as a matter of fact, Abortion in general leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and as a man , i am against it.

If you can't see the drawing up of sides, and really think that its worth killing an MD who practices abortions for girls who are inpregnated because they are meth hookers, thats cool. But I'd prefer an abortion, rather than a 1,2, or 5 year old who isn't loved
 
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#246
#246
First let me say...I will never support the killing of a Doctor....since i will never support the killing of a fetus...murder is murder. Second....yes i have strong religous beliefs....but isnt that what this country was found on?...We come a long ways since than. Oh for reasons of this debate, put aside regelious beliefs...we as humans (above all animals) have to have some standands...call moral.
As i stated previously.....and facts support the amount of abortions (back alley) has tremondeously increased since Rowe vs Wade. Therefore that leave me with one conclusion...convenient.....Than let me say i have always believed that from a moral standard we must look at the abortion created by rape or incest (1/10 of 1%) with kindness...the answer?...I don't have it....Now those with medical problems ....again I like you, have to put to one side....and let the parents live with their decision.....but my question has always been the great majority of abortions....are accepted by the mast....I feel we have become basically a very self centered population...not only our own country...but all....its now a "me me me me me" world.
Please dion't even say I am including those starving in poor counties.
 
#247
#247
Georgef said:
I feel we have become basically a very self centered population...not only our own country...but all....its now a "me me me me me" world.
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I agree wholeheartedly with you on this one, there is definately a shift away from community in the country, and towards the "Me First Gimme Gimme" crap.
 
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Headed For Home said:
Fair statement. Where do you think the line should be drawn? Only for medical reasons? No partial birth?

I would LIKE to see the abortion laws overturned. Assuming that doesn't happen - and probably won't any time soon - we must place better restrictions on abortion. A law banning partial birth abortions was actually voted down in Washington. This is one area where I can see no debate.

Even when we disagree about the broader subject, we need to demand that something is done in some of these catagories.
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I don't think I'm one to make that decision, nor is it the governments. That's really my line.

There are some Pro-Life arguments that state that many women regret having an abortion. There are also facts that show having an abortion can risk future child birthing abilities. These are natural barriers to abortion and the risks a family should decide on.
 
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#249
Georgef said:
First let me say...I will never support the killing of a Doctor....since i will never support the killing of a fetus...murder is murder. Second....yes i have strong religous beliefs....but isnt that what this country was found on?...We come a long ways since than. Oh for reasons of this debate, put aside regelious beliefs...we as humans (above all animals) have to have some standands...call moral.
As i stated previously.....and facts support the amount of abortions (back alley) has tremondeously increased since Rowe vs Wade. Therefore that leave me with one conclusion...convenient.....Than let me say i have always believed that from a moral standard we must look at the abortion created by rape or incest (1/10 of 1%) with kindness...the answer?...I don't have it....Now those with medical problems ....again I like you, have to put to one side....and let the parents live with their decision.....but my question has always been the great majority of abortions....are accepted by the mast....I feel we have become basically a very self centered population...not only our own country...but all....its now a "me me me me me" world.
Please dion't even say I am including those starving in poor counties.
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Separation of church and state.
 
#250
#250
Read The Declaration of Independences....and read Lincoln many speechs ...Read Jefferson....than you repeat what you said....when you look at the coin in your hand.
 
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